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    Mike I see your running Berkley at the southern minnesota HT. Might see you there. I would like to see your dog run.
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    Sounds good, he will probably run more field trials than hunting tests but he will be running!
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    Also it is up to the judges if they want to use a flier. Some judges don't like to use fliers in junior. I don't agree with it but they are the judges so they can use the birds how they see fit. It doesn't say because you provide the live birds that they must be used as fliers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huff View Post
    Some judges don't like to use fliers in junior. Russell
    Had an experience at a JH last summer where the gunners were very good. Birds taken up close and personal. A couple even had parts fly away at the shot. One head and one wing that I vividly remember. Broken, bloody mess they almost all were. Seems a shame to have newby dogs exposed with the dangers of developing bad habits so tempting. Older dogs fine but that is the reason I prefer not to have live flyers in Junior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Dogs View Post
    The regs require 2 live birds per entry but depending on where you're from that's a rule that is broken more often than not. .
    So....what part of this do most of the replys not understand, ...I enter,,,,,,regs require 2 live birds, i dont think it means the club has 2 birds per entry, then sells them on ebay. our fees are $80, less 30 for 2 ducks leaves $50, 2,5 shells per bird, sure there are other expenses but thet are amortized over the amount of entries, its not an excuse to BREAK the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huff View Post
    Also it is up to the judges if they want to use a flier. Some judges don't like to use fliers in junior. I don't agree with it but they are the judges so they can use the birds how they see fit. It doesn't say because you provide the live birds that they must be used as fliers.

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    live means living, not frozen, not dead, not plastic or other material, ....if you complete all the series in the test your dog should see 2 live birds, walking, flying, swimming or what ever.

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    Section 2. Game. Pheasants and/or ducks and/or
    chukars may be used in AKC-licensed or member club
    Hunting Tests, as may any other species of game bird that
    might be unique to a specific region. Clubs shall specify in
    the premium list the exact species of birds to be used in
    their hunting tests.
    A minimum of two live birds per entry must be made
    available for use at the discretion of the Judges in all test
    levels.
    At least one live flyer must be used in a Senior or
    Master level test unless the use of live ammunition is prohibited by law or policy of the land managing organization
    at the testing location. (pg. 19)
    http://images.akc.org/pdf/rulebooks/RHTRET.pdf

    Having live birds available does not necessarily mean live flyer, fresh killed birds should be used. For safety issues or available grounds, judges may opt out of using a flyer for Junior.
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    I think flyers should be used in one land test and one water test in all stakes. Too many times sinking water logged birds are used in the lesser HT stakes, Junior and senior. The local clubs in our area do tend to use live birds. The only time not to use a flyer would be for a control birds, where it is not safe or practical to use live ammunition.
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    Nope, they must be AVAILABLE for the judges. They do not have to use both!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Peters-labguy23 View Post
    Nope, they must be AVAILABLE for the judges. They do not have to use both!
    Mike is absolutely correct. And Cindy is also correct that 2 live birds available does not equal 2 flyers (or swimmers, or walkers, etc) for your dog. I attended a seminar with Jerry Mann this last weekend and this EXACT issue was brought up. Brokengunz, if you don't like it, don't agree with it, or don't understand it, I'd suggest you contact Jerry Mann directly (and your regional rep). You're going to get all types of responses on this forum to your question, some correct and some incorrect.

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