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    Default Pros and cons of wagons before patterns

    We are at this stage in training.

    But some say wagon wheel drills before pattern blinds and others say the opposite.

    Is there anything wrong with doing both drills on the same days?

    Does training wagon wheel lining and casting somehow upset the lesson of pattern blinds?

    Seems like they go hand in hand and shouldn't be interfering with each other - but I've learned that I don't know much...

    Please add your two cents.


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    I too am interested in this thread. Today i planned on starting pattern blinds but i think wagon wheels is the drill we actually need. It however comes after patterns in my training material (TRT)

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    IMO wagon wheel is a must before patterns blinds because you need the dog to understand how to move with you as you line him up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbr View Post
    IMO wagon wheel is a must before patterns blinds because you need the dog to understand how to move with you as you line him up.
    I think that she is talking about the casting drill, not the lining drill.

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    i think she is refering to both lining and casting as she says

    "Does training wagon wheel lining and casting somehow upset the lesson of pattern blinds?"

    i too am referring to lining.

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    WWLD???

    Stick to the program.

    regards...
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    Yes, actually lining more than casting Wagon is what I had in mind.

    Bert, that's what I was thinking - but Lardy and DL Walters say Patterns first???

    After my recent Derby failure with dog rubber necking to the flier station when I was trying to get her to look at other gun, I'm very interesting in lining work.

    I'd really like to know if they interfere with one another or if one builds on the other necessitating a specific order.

    I'd like to do both drills each day at different times, if possible. (both meaning wagon lining and pattern blinds)
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    To be clear I meant the lining drill.
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    Patterns are about developing momentum and thus are planted in plain sight and eventually become "taught" blinds as you move back. They're not about not precise lining.
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    I do not do pattern blinds. But, I do do wagon wheel in conjunction with other drills. I do not like to start two drills at the same time so if I was to be doing pattern blinds I would start wagon wheel a week or more before I was done with the double T. When I finished up the run by on the double T I'd be a week or so into the wagon wheel so I could start pattern blinds right after the TT. I'd be doing two drills at once but only one would be new and the other building successful reps on a known drill.

    But Jennifer, you are getting away a little from the Lardy program. I really would suggest you follow Lardy with your first dog and then diverge from his program with your next dog. You do not want to get the dog in trouble with two different drills/concepts at the same time.
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