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    I live just outside Cleveland and am unable to use live birds for training. I was wondering if you just replace them with dummies and bumpers or you change the way you go about training.

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    Can you use dead birds? A duck will last a long time if it is frozen, thawed for training then refrozen. I use live birds but only infrequently. But dogs must learn to pick up cripples. You can use dummies quite a bit but dogs need some birds. I would recommend dead birds at least once a week. And live birds once a month. More if you are going to participate in akc hunt tests.

    Yes you can use dummies. When I use bumper boys (dummies) I don't do anything differently.
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    I'm an urban trainer. I've gotten tired of listening to people who swear I'm killing wild duck to train with. So in town, I almost always train with bumpers.
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    Train most of the time with bumpers, use ducks when I have them.

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    I train mostly with dead frozen birds (ducks and pheasants) for marks, bumpers (dummies) for blinds. Flyers (live birds) requires more careful selection of training areas. If we're training in a more urban setting, we use frozen birds. Then there is no question that they are not wild birds.
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    There is no question about it, you need birds to make a bird dog When and where is the question. frozen pigeons are an easy way to use birds. Fresh ( either just killed or thawed out) and live( flyers or clip winged) ones take more planning and are used when necessary. Training dummies otherwise.
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    Ditto on the comments that, at some point, you need to introduce pup to live birds. But, I do train with bumpers when the bird inventory is low and always use bumpers on blinds. (Can't leave a pile of birds on the ground for more than a few minutes w/o the damn fireants attacking.) If you are limited to training in areas that you cannot use birds there a couple of things you can do short of real birds: If you can get some pigeon or duck wings a wing tied securley to a bumper at least gets some feathers in the mouth and is not likely to draw the ire of some citizen bystander. Wings will last indefinitely if kept frozen when not in use. Duck scent - available most gun dog supply outfits - on canvass bumpers at least gets the nose working.

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    We keep a freezer full of ducks and geese after the season goes out. You can rotate em and get through until next SEP.

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    Thanks for the info. Just making sure I don't have to use live or frozen birds every time we train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    I'm an urban dog trainer. I've gotten tired of listening to people who swear I'm killing wild duck to train with. So in town, I almost always train with bumpers.
    I never knew Howard! I'm glad you don't discriminate.
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