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    Default For the 'Temporal Provincials' among us.

    TPs...those ignorant of the past and proud of it...the past has no bearing on "today"...etc.,etc.,etc. Well here's a small article concerning what to expect of our democracy and where it's headed, based on a HISTORY professor from the 1800s.

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    In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
    University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
    Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
    temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
    form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
    the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
    gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
    always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
    the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
    collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
    dictatorship."

    "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
    beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
    years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith;

    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage."
    The Obituary follows:

    Born 1776, Died 2012
    It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in
    St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning
    the last Presidential election:

    Number of States won by:
    Obama: 19 Romney: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000

    Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million
    Romney: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory
    Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens
    of the country.

    Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low
    income tenements and living off various forms of government
    welfare..."

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
    "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
    democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population
    already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million

    criminal invaders called illegals - and they vote - then we can say
    goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

    When the one you love becomes a memory, that memory becomes a treasure.

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    WOW Bill, I am really surprised you would quote a professor from a well known Minnesota university based on the fact that you don't like our state and you seem to think all Minnesotan's are ignorant. Shocking, just shocking.
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    Good read by the way.
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    I got that email a couple of years ago, I could not find any text that had it. Everything pointed to it just being put to gether in a newspaper article in the 40's. However the issues with democracys were well know at that time. They were also well know by our founding fathers and that is why we are a republic and not a democracy. Can you point me the correct texts for it?

    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    alexis_de_tocqueville Has a few books dealing with the newely formed USA and has predictated many of the problems that we will face, he has just as good of quotes as T Jefferson when it comes to freedom.

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    Tyler lived in a monarchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade View Post
    WOW Bill, I am really surprised you would quote a professor from a well known Minnesota university based on the fact that you don't like our state and you seem to think all Minnesotan's are ignorant. Shocking, just shocking.

    I doubt I have stated that ALL Minnesoootans are ignorant, but the state has accumulated several. Your posts have me believing, however, that you may be in the 'other' camp. I do have a sister-in-law that is also a conservative living in Rochester. I am a fan of Michelle Bachman, and think she is far better for that state than that Klobuchar babe that gets all the accolades....or that total ignoramus, Frankin. But it's those type of loonies that get elected in that state that cause me to be critical. There was a time when it was one of my favorite places to be. I graduated from radio engineering school in Mpls in 1960. I married a gal from Lamberton, MN...also in 1960. We have other relatives still living there. I still follow the Twins and Vikes along with the Broncs and Rox.

    All that aside, my quoting a prof from a "well known Minnesota university" has very little to do with my views of the state in general. I've quoted so many famous sayings by Ronald Reagan I can't count them all, but as far as his home state is concerned, I think it's a total waste. And I have several relatives living there also, including my youngest son and his family. So your 'logic' doesn't quite add up.

    But I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt, until such time you stray too far off the reservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    I doubt I have stated that ALL Minnesoootans are ignorant, but the state has accumulated several. Your posts have me believing, however, that you may be in the 'other' camp. I do have a sister-in-law that is also a conservative living in Rochester. I am a fan of Michelle Bachman, and think she is far better for that state than that Klobuchar babe that gets all the accolades....or that total ignoramus, Frankin. But it's those type of loonies that get elected in that state that cause me to be critical. There was a time when it was one of my favorite places to be. I graduated from radio engineering school in Mpls in 1960. I married a gal from Lamberton, MN...also in 1960. We have other relatives still living there. I still follow the Twins and Vikes along with the Broncs and Rox.

    All that aside, my quoting a prof from a "well known Minnesota university" has very little to do with my views of the state in general. I've quoted so many famous sayings by Ronald Reagan I can't count them all, but as far as his home state is concerned, I think it's a total waste. And I have several relatives living there also, including my youngest son and his family. So your 'logic' doesn't quite add up.

    But I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt, until such time you stray too far off the reservation.

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    Got to hand it to Michelle Bachman, not many politicians will admit that they have the spirit of John Wayne Gacey.

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    This is an nearly and exact rehash of an e-mail that came out after the 2008 campaign. It is B.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    This is an nearly and exact rehash of an e-mail that came out after the 2008 campaign. It is B.S.
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