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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    one of the pitfalls to teaching a permanent blind, especially if you have limited land resources,is that you are teaching a dog to return to an old fall...If I have access to a good field the last thing I want the dog to think or to look at is a spot where they have been sent numerous times,what if you need to get the dog to drive past that spot to get another bird,what if you throw a mark along that same angle...

    sometimes a single aspirin is a good thing for what ails you....but a whole bottle may kill you...
    Ahh but that's where you put in the training to teach them not to return to old falls by placing blinds/ marks in different locals, using the permanent blind suction as temptation Still I agree, a PB is not something you run everyday, just every once in awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    one of the pitfalls to teaching a permanent blind, especially if you have limited land resources,is that you are teaching a dog to return to an old fall...If I have access to a good field the last thing I want the dog to think or to look at is a spot where they have been sent numerous times,what if you need to get the dog to drive past that spot to get another bird,what if you throw a mark along that same angle...

    sometimes a single aspirin is a good thing for what ails you....but a whole bottle may kill you...
    I like that analogy!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'EmUp View Post
    You should change angels, distance, everything, The point of a permanent blind is to give the dogs confidence to run fast and long to a point that he knows there will always be bumpers. So you can basically send him from anywhere, from any distance and he knows where he's going. Once he knows it you change up the line etc. and teach him different correct ways to get there. The pile is permanent, the correct ways of getting there are numerous. Permanent blinds are great way for teaching run long and run straight, despite obstacles.

    My dogs have about 5-6 permanents through out our training area, that they can run upwards to 700 yards too, through various ponds, up and down hills, etc. Once they are taught you can run them from anywhere, on any line and the dog will finish up strong because they know where they are going.
    No offense however I feel that makes the handler feel good but the dog learns very little after the second time running said "Blind."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry S. View Post
    No offense however I feel that makes the handler feel good but the dog learns very little after the second time running said "Blind."
    You are right on the money! Or as the late Mr. Carr would have put it, "Salve for the handler"!

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    Welp Any drill is only as good as what you use it for. My dogs can run hard and straight, 700 yr and beyond, at any angel, negotiate a line through multiple factors and obstacles, down shores, over points, key-holes, with multiple water entries and exits, and never think about slowing, popping, or doing anything other than running straight back, unless I choose to stop them. If that's handler "Salve" I'll take a bit of it every now and again . But I'm a simple person, Run back and run straight, I'm happy, blowing whistles, especially those big green ones can be very hard on the lungs, and has the tendency to give one vertigo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'EmUp View Post
    Welp Any drill is only as good as what you use it for. My dogs can run hard and straight, 700 yr and beyond, at any angel, negotiate a line through multiple factors and obstacles, down shores, over points, key-holes, with multiple water entries and exits, and never think about slowing, popping, or doing anything other than running straight back, unless I choose to stop them. If that's handler "Salve" I'll take a bit of it every now and again . But I'm a simple person, Run back and run straight, I'm happy, blowing whistles, especially those big green ones can be very hard on the lungs, and has the tendency to give one vertigo.
    If they are good markers then you have a National dog on your hands.
    700 yards. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'EmUp View Post
    My dogs can run hard and straight, 700 yr and beyond, at any angel, negotiate a line through multiple factors and ....But I'm a simple person, Run back and run straight, I'm happy, blowing whistles, especially those big green ones can be very hard on the lungs, and has the tendency to give one vertigo.
    If he lines like that what are the whistles for?

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