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    Do I run FT's?

    NO!

    Will my dog be successful in them? or HT's???

    I think there are Many aspects of being successful..... The most important being the handler. Right now,, I dont feel comfortable with MY aspects of handling, to be successful at either the Higher levels of hT's,, and especially FT's. Nerves are my biggest enemy...

    But, I will say, I am VERY happy with my young dog..

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    No, I do not.
    I was trying to find a common denominator in our experiences with dogs.

    Duckq, Steve, et al are saying dogs need to learn to run past the gunner, trust the handler and the communication given to them at the line. I train with some folks whose dogs run within inches of a poison bird and ignore it. The handler has somehow communicated this to them.

    Running straight past the gunner, not caving to suction, etc. are skills the dog must learn, at least in FTs. As I understand the dispute, Duckq says this comes up in the PB/blind drill portion of TRT. You say no. Ok then, where in TRT does Lardy say to teach this stuff to the dog? If not in the PB/blind drill section, where?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitty View Post
    ....Running straight past the gunner, not caving to suction, etc. are skills the dog must learn, at least in FTs. As I understand the dispute, Duckq says this comes up in the PB/blind drill portion of TRT. You say no. Ok then, where in TRT does Lardy say to teach this stuff to the dog? If not in the PB/blind drill section, where?
    The dog learns to run cold blinds during the transition.

    All of it.

    Once the dog has been through the transition, it is ready to really learn about poison birds, and other concepts that were introduced during the transition.

    But, that doesn't happen, until the dog is into advanced training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    The dog learns to run cold blinds during the transition.

    All of it.

    Once the dog has been through the transition, it is ready to really learn about poison birds, and other concepts that were introduced during the transition.

    But, that doesn't happen, until the dog is into advanced training.
    I just can't imagine this. The concepts are very difficult. It does not make sense to teach them on cold blinds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitty View Post
    I was trying to find a common denominator in our experiences with dogs.

    Duckq, Steve, et al are saying dogs need to learn to run past the gunner, trust the handler and the communication given to them at the line. I train with some folks whose dogs run within inches of a poison bird and ignore it. The handler has somehow communicated this to them.

    Running straight past the gunner, not caving to suction, etc. are skills the dog must learn, at least in FTs. As I understand the dispute, Duckq says this comes up in the PB/blind drill portion of TRT. You say no.
    Think this "dispute" is just a matter of internet semantics.
    Everyones' right!
    Yes, the dog needs to run past a diversion on the way to a known destination.
    Yes, the dog should take the line given, but it's no big deal if the line isn't surveyed in perfect.
    Yes, you HAVE to be able to handle the dog past a diversion here, and if you don't add any suction or there's no handling, you're not accomplishing anything x-cept maybe conditioning the dog to run to a sight mark or a known destination over and over again.

    These are concepts that are just as useful afield for a Gundawg, as they are for a Test dog or FT's
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitty View Post
    I just can't imagine this. The concepts are very difficult......
    That's why the dog needs to know how to run cold blinds, before it can really learn those concepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckquilizer View Post
    That settles it...[B]Lardy has no clue what he is doing[/B]. A good read is Article Volume 1 page 37.
    Really???? I question that!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckquilizer View Post
    That settles it...Lardy has no clue what he is doing. A good read is Article Volume 1 page 37.
    I missed the edit.

    I agree that's a good read.

    Particularly the parts that say; "You are more interested in improving casting skills and maintaining control than in running blinds with elaborate diversions."

    And; "You should run the pattern blinds with diversions for several days, or until you feel your dog has a good understanding of changing directions with your casts. It is not necessary that he line every blind or run lines very tight to the diversions."
    Last edited by copterdoc; 04-10-2013 at 12:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampbilly View Post
    Think this "dispute" is just a matter of internet semantics.
    Everyones' right!
    Yes, the dog needs to run past a diversion on the way to a known destination.
    Yes, the dog should take the line given, but it's no big deal if the line isn't surveyed in perfect.
    Yes, you HAVE to be able to handle the dog past a diversion here, and if you don't add any suction or there's no handling, you're not accomplishing anything x-cept maybe conditioning the dog to run to a sight mark or a known destination over and over again.

    These are concepts that are just as useful afield for a Gundawg, as they are for a Test dog or FT's
    I hope so.

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