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    I will bet that BHO either mentions the sequester or the nay vote in his speech today in Boston during the "interfaith" service for the marathon victims
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    Sorry, but this is SOP nowdays for either party that has things go the other way. A pitiful way to lead on either side. In the State of the Union Address he asked for a vote, " the American public deserve a vote". OK, a vote was taken and a majority said no.
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    Harry Reid and all like him are 'snakes in the grass'....Obama and his Administration are the worst possible thing that has happened to our Country in history. Time will prove this correct as we go through the next 2 or 3 generations paying for the mistakes and problems they have caused! God help us all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    Sorry, but this is SOP nowdays for either party that has things go the other way. A pitiful way to lead on either side. In the State of the Union Address he asked for a vote, " the American public deserve a vote". OK, a vote was taken and a majority said no.
    You have a funny definition for "majority" I reckon.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why people are against background checks. And before you flame you for being against guns, you should know that I own nine, and I have a concealed carry permit in my pocket...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    once again this administration marches former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords and puts her front and center when the Pres goes on national TV to admonish the Senators that voted against the legislation..I dont know if I am more disgusted with the admin for using and exploiting her or her husband for allowing her to be used like a stage prop for their anti gun debate...its the James Brady scenario all over again..and then they release a statement saying she is furious over the bill not passing, puhleeze...dont insult our intelligence by using someone to try and guilt the public because you didnt get your way on legislation
    Very astute observation Bon.
    Her astronaut Husband should be ashamed of himselves; methinks he probably has future political aspirations and sadly is using his disabled wife as a stage prop to further his aspirations and get publicity & face time for his own self. Sadly in our celebrity crazed culture face time trumps everything including substance.
    What is disgusting is Obama in effect scolding those who voted to uphold the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. They took an oath to do just that. The scolding should be given to those who didn't honor their oath. Hopefully the voters will remember and deliver their own scolding at the polls
    From a Constitutional standpoint the First 10 Am to the Constitution comprise the Bill of Rights. They arent negotiable. Any politician who want's to should be ousted. F
    From a practical standpoint anyone who goes into a school, movie theater, or other crowded public venue and opens fire is a despicable demented COWARD. The last thing a COWARD wants is the prospect of being confronted with equal or superior force. IMHO from a practical standpoint the way to minimize events like Sandy Hook is with the advancement of the arming of America, NOT the disarming of its citizenry.
    The Colo theatre killer had maps s of gun free zones and planned his attack with those in mind.

    Whether or not I'm right or wrong on my premise is actually irrelevant though due to the fact that the 2nd Amendment & The Bill of Rights is not negotiable and shouldn't be subjected to emotional irrational assaults upon it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    You have a funny definition for "majority" I reckon.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why people are against background checks. And before you flame you for being against guns, you should know that I own nine, and I have a concealed carry permit in my pocket...
    15,000 back ground checks came back and only 44 prosecuted last year. More of the same will not keep criminals from getting a gun and you should understand that Buzz. How many people in Shitcago were killed last year with a legally purchased pistol? Gun crime is a Black issue and until the Black community takes responsibility for the crime in their neighborhoods it will continue. If the Black community would look at where all the freebies have gotten them and who started the Freebies the answer is very clear. Their slave masters are the Demoratic party and have been for 50 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    You have a funny definition for "majority" I reckon.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why people are against background checks. And before you flame you for being against guns, you should know that I own nine, and I have a concealed carry permit in my pocket...
    Its not about the background check..... we already have that..... as ineffective as it is. Its about creating a "registry" of gun ownership, which this law would have done. I have over twenty, and that's my business, not the governments. I am glad that common sense actually ruled here.......for once. If our government would make appropriate gun law penalties, AND ENFORCE THEM, we as a country would be much better off. JMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    You have a funny definition for "majority" I reckon.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why people are against background checks. And before you flame you for being against guns, you should know that I own nine, and I have a concealed carry permit in my pocket...

    I think that maybe I can explain it. For "universal" background checks to work, first the govt has to know who owns ALL the guns. It is possible that I could legally own guns that no one knows that I own. If I were to transfer them to you through a private transaction, there would be no way that the government would be aware of the change in ownership and if you committed a heinous act with one of them, as long as you didn't tell the govt where you got the guns, they would never know that they were at one time in my possession, so the only way for "universal" background checks to work is for the govt to first REGISTER ALL firearms. If a universal background check law were passed AND everyone with a firearm that had been in the family for 50 years or so actually complied with the law and went to the trouble of having a background check run before transferring ownership of that gun, then eventually ALL guns would be "registered". Those two reasons are why many (including me) oppose universal background checks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troy schwab View Post
    Its not about the background check..... we already have that..... as ineffective as it is. Its about creating a "registry" of gun ownership, which this law would have done. .................................................. .................................................. .....JMO
    Bingo ! Good post. A person wonders why anyone who has a brain could not see this.
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    I don't understand what the bill was set to accomplish? From what I understand of it, it was making things that are illegal...illegal. Is that what all the outrage is about? The bill didn't affect private sales at all. Sales at gun shows and the internet are required to go through the background check process unless they are private sales. And the internet private sales cannot go across state lines. So again what did this accomplish?

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