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    Hudson Highland Hunting Retriever Association , at the spring meeting today , held in conjunction with our ICE BREAKER event , voted NO on the proposed by laws change.
    I did not bring this up during the discussion , but one thing I thought of , that I did not see in this thread (didn't read all comments) , is IMO ,we should wait until we see how the rule change limiting entries on the weekends plays out before instituting more change . Went 14 for 14 on shooting flyer pigeons today regards ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelder View Post
    Hudson Highland Hunting Retriever Association , at the spring meeting today , held in conjunction with our ICE BREAKER event , voted NO on the proposed by laws change.
    I did not bring this up during the discussion , but one thing I thought of , that I did not see in this thread (didn't read all comments) , is IMO ,we should wait until we see how the rule change limiting entries on the weekends plays out before instituting more change . Went 14 for 14 on shooting flyer pigeons today regards ...
    Kudos on the pigeon flyers Mr. Kelder.

    Kudos for Club Vote "NO", and I agree with your thinking here, gee willies, can we have some time to collect and analyze data on limited entries before we split the baby AGAIN!
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    I am not saying it won't, but how do limiting entries at the club level affect the MN? As I understood it, the purpose behind limiting entries was to help clubs with grounds, help etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas D View Post
    I am not saying it won't, but how do limiting entries at the club level affect the MN? As I understood it, the purpose behind limiting entries was to help clubs with grounds, help etc.
    Hmmm, Lets review: AKC agrees to Limit Master HT entries to 60 (to Help Clubs because of grounds/workers/blah blah), Revenue down. Next thing you know, Master National is pitching the argument of "we need to lower entries for the same reasons", BUT......The SOLUTION IS *RUN SIX MORE MASTER TESTS after you TITLE*(REVENUE UP FOR AKC), but pitch the selling point of young dogs not being able to Handle a MN to make the entries more manageable?

    That's an orgy of strange bed fellows I want a Fly's eye view of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas D View Post
    I am not saying it won't, but how do limiting entries at the club level affect the MN? As I understood it, the purpose behind limiting entries was to help clubs with grounds, help etc.
    You are spot on with the reasoning - but a possible side effect is less qualifiers for the MN because folks didn't get in on enough tests in their area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpmm665 View Post
    Hmmm, Lets review: AKC agrees to Limit Master HT entries to 60 (to Help Clubs because of grounds/workers/blah blah), Revenue down. Next thing you know, Master National is pitching the argument of "we need to lower entries for the same reasons", BUT......The SOLUTION IS *RUN SIX MORE MASTER TESTS after you TITLE*(REVENUE UP FOR AKC), but pitch the selling point of young dogs not being able to Handle a MN to make the entries more manageable?

    That's an orgy of strange bed fellows I want a Fly's eye view of.
    AND - if the concern is so great for what dogs can and cannot handle , why not require a dog MUST go thru JH and SH before being eligible to run a Master ? I do not agree with that solution BTW......

    and you have strange viewing habits Ms. Cindy .....LOL
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    This thread has a lot of debate on solutions to a real or percieved problem of too many MN entries. The truth is there is only one rule proposal on the docket. I have contacted the officers of my clubs and expressed my opinion. I want my clubs to vote NO on the proposed amendment. Regardless of your opinion, I urge all to make their views known to your club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelder View Post
    You are spot on with the reasoning - but a possible side effect is less qualifiers for the MN because folks didn't get in on enough tests in their area.
    How can we determine if the limited entries causes a lower than normal (whatever that is) MN entry? Seems like most people, especially pros, will just go on to the next test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas D View Post
    How can we determine if the limited entries causes a lower than normal (whatever that is) MN entry? Seems like most people, especially pros, will just go on to the next test.
    I think it will only be determined after a season or two to make an educated comparison .
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelder View Post
    AND - if the concern is so great for what dogs can and cannot handle , why not require a dog MUST go thru JH and SH before being eligible to run a Master ? I do not agree with that solution BTW......
    I wouldn't like that much.

    I would like it if they made it so that it was at least worth it, to run Senior first.
    As it stands right now, you have to pass 5 Senior tests to get one pass closer to a MH.

    Passing 4 Seasoned tests, gets you 3 Finished passes knocked off of an HRCH.

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