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    I suppose it would be the same for me if I forgot my 'stop whistle'.....I wouldn't attempt to stop the dog during that training session. But there would be nothing to 'stop me' from training on a few Marks!
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    Trained. Know what your dog will do well and keep it simple that day. Marks and simple water blinds. You should be able to do one training session without the collar by keeping it simple. IMHO
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    meet me in Eagle Idaho and we will show you what its like to train without a collar...it just might open up a whole new way that you look at dog training....its a low impact aerobic weekend (no running involved)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    No it won't be Carol. Imagine trying to get in a timely correction for a dog who is beaching early. You can't run or wade out to the dog to make a correction at the time he made the decision to cheat, same on land but not quite as bad of timing. There is a reason all the top trainers use a collar and that's well timed corrections at the time of the infraction.
    I am curious over your very definitive answer here, because I respect your experience and your careful and informative postings on training questions. But why would you not revert to attrition style training exclusively in the absence of a collar? Stop and call back some distance after each cast refusal has a better chance for success in water especially than on land, doesn't it? I admit it would be better to have remembered the collar but surely the training could proceed reasonably well even without it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
    I am curious over your very definitive answer here, because I respect your experience and your careful and informative postings on training questions. But why would you not revert to attrition style training exclusively in the absence of a collar? Stop and call back some distance after each cast refusal has a better chance for success in water especially than on land, doesn't it? I admit it would be better to have remembered the collar but surely the training could proceed reasonably well even without it?
    Like I said; not picking a fight, I have lots of respect for your knowledge and wish to hear more.
    semantics I guess ?
    But 'if' the dog was already trained,would it not perform the task it has been trained to do?..and any handler that would ask the dog to perform a task in a training session that it is not capable of ,without the necessary training tools to teach,is a poorly prepared trainer for the pupil,or the class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polmaise View Post
    semantics I guess ?
    But 'if' the dog was already trained,would it not perform the task it has been trained to do?..and any handler that would ask the dog to perform a task in a training session that it is not capable of ,without the necessary training tools to teach,is a poorly prepared trainer for the pupil,or the class.
    The e-collar does not teach anything, it is only a tool for reenforcing a known command, attrition is also a method for dealing with non compliance of commands and is routinely utilized by trainers who are also holding a fully charged transmitter and collar. Even well trained dogs will give in to the cardinal influences during field training and veer from the exacting path demanded in N.American trails and even tests.
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    I am fairly new to this sport, but were there not many great dogs out there before the e-collar? You can't run a test with the collar either. I would still do a training session and test the dog on what they know for sure to see how they are doing in preparation for a test. This will give you an idea of what to work on next time when you do remember your collar.

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