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    background,,, your dog in training (with an e collar)
    makes no mistakes, however when you go to a trial the dog knows it doesn't have a collar and misbehaves differently,

    would you consider training without an ecollar to eliminate the difference

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    No but use the collar more judiciously and as one of your tools to assist your dog along with all your other tools. Before you use the collar be sure your dog has been taught what you are about to do and understands. Always give the command before correction. I would use attrition first to teach. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brokengunz View Post
    background,,, your dog in training (with an e collar)
    makes no mistakes, however when you go to a trial the dog knows it doesn't have a collar and misbehaves differently,

    would you consider training without an ecollar to eliminate the difference
    IMO you should always be training in rotation with and without a collar. Just depends on what you're working on that day. Like the other thread about arriving to train realizing the collar is on the counter at home - use the mistake to your and the dogs advantage.

    I've left my whistle behind a few times, hunting and training. Running a blind I had to YELL 'Sit". It sucked - but it was good for the dog and me.

    IMO training (or expectations) are a 24x7x365 deal. Don't give too much power to the collar.
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    Being collar-wise is not a result of e-collar use. It's a result of inappropriate e-collar use. If you have a credible pro, or a seasoned, successful amateur to coach you on its use, that would be a fine course to follow. We live in a great age for retriever trainers, as good information is widely available.

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    "makes no mistakes" Really? No mistakes? Maybe your missing the opportunity for the right corrections in training. The smallest things can explode in a test.

    Also if he makes no mistakes then he would get no corrections,,,,,Then how did he get "collar wise"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Being collar-wise is not a result of e-collar use. It's a result of inappropriate e-collar use. If you have a credible pro, or a seasoned, successful amateur to coach you on its use, that would be a fine course to follow. We live in a great age for retriever trainers, as good information is widely available.

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    That's excellent advice that took me years to learn. Mentored under a few pros and experienced amateurs . Now it all makes sense!
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    Your dog is test wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claimsadj View Post
    Your dog is test wise.
    Most notably accomplished by being the only time the dog doesn't wear a collar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HNTFSH View Post
    Most notably accomplished by being the only time the dog doesn't wear a collar.
    So just wearing a collar in training makes a dog test wise? By the way they're all test wise. They all know when they are training or testing. They don't need a collar to learn that.

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