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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    Can't agree with you on this one MM... I believe in killing the enemy BEFORE he kills you. Our screwup was not knowing these two WERE enemies. And they were right here in our FRONT yard...
    I believe we knew, we just didn't want to offend them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudminnow View Post
    Yes, I find it hard to reconcile the teachings of Christ with torture( including waterboarding), denying people's rights, and vilifying whole cultures.

    Love your enemies and bless those who persecute you.

    The same people that put God on a stick and parade him around to protect unborn children, seem to want to kill folks like the Boston bombers. I know I am probably not in line with anybody's thinking here, but I want to challenge you if you use God to back up one claim, you can't leave out what he says about other things.
    I may not parade God on stick but these men will be tried by a court of law and have judgement from the court, they will have a voice in their fate after taking someone's else's life
    Who speaks for the unborn child hmmm

    Very weak argument to equate abortion with the death penalty, because if you do that then you have to condemn the women and their doctors that terminate those unborn
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    He is a citizen. As such these are guaranteed rights. You cant draw a line on which rights citizens are given based on your feelings. That is a slippery slope that we can't go down

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    Huntinman, killing the enemy before they kill you would be great, but it is the same philosophy of the terrorists we are killing. We knew they were enemies, and the FBI was watching them, and it wouldn't surprise me if they even aided this attack with plans to foil the plot. That is all speculation, but we know that the FBI sets up terror plots so they can catch people.

    And I used to think like you Bon, and have begun to swing more anti death penalty. If I say human life is sacred in one case, I have a hard time saying it isn't in another. Let's just say i think it is never good to kill another human in any case. But in some cases, it may be less bad. No one should be proud to take another persons life. But we glorify our snipers and drones just like the jihadists glorify their bombers. This is wrong.

    I don't think it is a weak argument to equate death penalty and abortion. But this is a debate that I know I can't change minds on.

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    My guess is that they want to be sure he is aware of his rights when read to him, which he may not have been able to do when apprehended. Either way, it won't be good for him. More than likely protective custody(solitary) the entire time in jail. And if not, well there's probably some patriots in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudminnow View Post

    And I used to think like you Bon, and have begun to swing more anti death penalty. If I say human life is sacred in one case, I have a hard time saying it isn't in another. Let's just say i think it is never good to kill another human in any case. But in some cases, it may be less bad. No one should be proud to take another persons life. But we glorify our snipers and drones just like the jihadists glorify their bombers. This is wrong.

    I don't think it is a weak argument to equate death penalty and abortion. But this is a debate that I know I can't change minds on.

    I dont know of any ex military people INCLUDING my father who was happy that they had to take human lives in war...my father was a devout Christian, but he swore an oath when they pinned the bars on his lapel..He was however proud to have served the country that he loved while defending the country of his birth..

    I also take no glee in executing someone like McVeigh, but he and Nichols took countless lives in OKC...I am just sorry that Nichols was able to plead out a life sentence....and FTR I think that Charles Manson and his entire cult should have all been fried decades ago, same with Sirhan,Hinckley
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    He is a citizen. As such these are guaranteed rights. You cant draw a line on which rights citizens are given based on your feelings. That is a slippery slope that we can't go down
    Not sure this is the case. Heard one attorney stating there is case law from he supreme court ruling that US citizens can be designated enemy combatants if they meet certain criteria. I'd say receiving his citizenship less that 2 years ago and traveling back to his former homeland to study the teachings of a radical Islamic cleric and honing his skills so that he could blow up innocent people in the name of his twisted ideas of the Islamic faith might get him close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    I dont know of any ex military people INCLUDING my father who was happy that they had to take human lives in war...my father was a devout Christian, but he swore an oath when they pinned the bars on his lapel..He was however proud to have served the country that he loved while defending the country of his birth..

    I also take no glee in executing someone like McVeigh, but he and Nichols took countless lives in OKC...I am just sorry that Nichols was able to plead out a life sentence....and FTR I think that Charles Manson and his entire cult should have all been fried decades ago, same with Sirhan,Hinckley
    I have found that a majority of the folks who are happy about other peoples death have never been a part of it. Most veterans are very respectful in this regard. But when we killed Osama and streets were filled with people cheering and partying, I honestly felt ashamed. I was not happy with his death, I will not be happy with this kids death of he gets convicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudminnow View Post
    I have found that a majority of the folks who are happy about other peoples death have never been a part of it. Most veterans are very respectful in this regard. But when we killed Osama and streets were filled with people cheering and partying, I honestly felt ashamed. I was not happy with his death, I will not be happy with this kids death of he gets convicted.
    really ? ok I will respect your right to feel the way that you do. because I sure as heck wont tell you how you should feel....

    I will not be ashamed of my country for bringing justice to those who do harm to us....I will celebrate the safe return of our troops from harms way

    You and I just see things in a different way..
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    A few things that I learned still ring true. "Lanse when you get a gift, say thank you and walk away. When you get a screwing walk away. You are going to get a lot more screwings than gifts"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudminnow View Post
    I have found that a majority of the folks who are happy about other peoples death have never been a part of it. Most veterans are very respectful in this regard. But when we killed Osama and streets were filled with people cheering and partying, I honestly felt ashamed. I was not happy with his death, I will not be happy with this kids death of he gets convicted.
    And who was the biggest cheerleader when that happened?
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