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    Albeit the republicans did not vote for it, it was crafted much from the opposition of a single-payer system the democrats wanted. Obamacare was the republicans alternative in 1994 when Hilary and Bill took a run at reform. So if you don't like it, you should point blame at the republican congress since it was their ideal. I still believe that a single-payer healthcare system is what is needed but now lets see how this one works. It is the work of conservatives who did not want to to take away from insurers and doctors.

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    Why any wealthy nation would not view the health of its citizens as equally worthy an expenditure as protection from crime or fires or foreign invaders is a mystery to me. The mess that has been foisted upon you seems to be proof that the legislative branch offers the best governance that money can buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    Albeit the republicans did not vote for it, it was crafted much from the opposition of a single-payer system the democrats wanted. Obamacare was the republicans alternative in 1994 when Hilary and Bill took a run at reform. So if you don't like it, you should point blame at the republican congress since it was their ideal. I still believe that a single-payer healthcare system is what is needed but now lets see how this one works. It is the work of conservatives who did not want to to take away from insurers and doctors.
    Who RAMMED it down our throat who said we have to pass it to know whats in . Who did all the back room deals. Did this get passed in 1994 no. it is on your boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    Albeit the republicans did not vote for it, it was crafted much from the opposition of a single-payer system the democrats wanted. Obamacare was the republicans alternative in 1994 when Hilary and Bill took a run at reform. So if you don't like it, you should point blame at the republican congress since it was their ideal. I still believe that a single-payer healthcare system is what is needed but now lets see how this one works. It is the work of conservatives who did not want to to take away from insurers and doctors.

    What flavor kool aid are you drinking...do you even know who wrote the bill, or at least who the principle co authors were...Menmon, your pent up hostility for all things Republican shows some deep seated emotional baggage from somewhere in your past, a place that hopefully only you occupy...You have lost all form of reason if you have to now resort to blaming the Republicans for the ACA, maybe thats the new spin tactic on some left wing program, only inhabited by those with tin foil hats in dark basements
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    Come on guys, he (menmon) can't really believe most of the stuff he puts on here. He has to be yanking everyone's chain!!

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    Well, history is clear that the individual mandate most certainly was a conservative Republican idea. http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...idual-mandate/

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    Just a warmed over version of Romneycare!
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    As everyone is aware it passed under democrat majority with democrat president. Can't spin that or all of the underhanded and back room deals that took place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
    Why any wealthy nation would not view the health of its citizens as equally worthy an expenditure as protection from crime or fires or foreign invaders is a mystery to me. The mess that has been foisted upon you seems to be proof that the legislative branch offers the best governance that money can buy.
    I do not disagree with a single word of your post. However, if you insert the word "government" before expenditure( which you imply) then I totally disagree with you. Obamacare has 16,000 pages of rules and regulations. It has over 2,000 waivers. I won't be surprised if the number of pages exceedes the tax code of over 70,000 within 10 years. 130,000 pages of procedure codes a doctor must use in order to bill for treatment. By the way the codes are 8 didgets. As I have said many times, the gov. has not, is not and never will be in the business of charity. It is in the business of rules, regulation, taxes, DEPENDENCE and CONTROL.

    A simple question. Do many of your countrymen now cross the border to come here for treatment just to see our country or do they come here because your country denies them the freedom to hire a doctor for the treatment they desire, and does your country deny doctors the freedom to ply their legal trade to those who wish to pay them for their services?

    I once treated a patient from the former West Germany and another from Japan. The West german patient was here only for the summer. I asked her why she did not have the work done in her country and her response was that she could not get it done in her country because the national healthcare system did not provide it and she could not pay for it there. Neither patients' prior treatment would meet the dental standard or ordinary care in this country.

    You might look at the cost of healthcare in this country as a % of GDP and you would see that it remained stable until gov. creation of medicare and medicaid in 1965 when the cost imediately began to increase at a sharp rate.

    Prior to 1965, we had a system where those who could pay did so and those who could not pay through no fault of their own, were treated through charity. It was not a perfect system but it worked in my opinion. If you were to go to a doctor and say that you knew that the treatment you needed was not covered by your gov. healthare system, would he please treat you free? I wonder what your opinion is as to what response you would receive.

    When I first went into practice in the 70's I did have patients come to me in need of care that said that they couldnot afford to pay me for some reason or another. Some wold promise to pay when they could. My response was to ask them if they were on medicaid. If the answer was no then my attitude was that if the government had decided that they were not needy then why should I think otherwise. Later I realized that it was not the government's responsibility to make such a decision for me. It was MY responsibility to determine who was needy and MY responsibility to deal with their care. I have no doubt that I made mistakes but this only made me more aware of my responsiblity.

    I don't know it to be true but I once read that the US was the only country that had a net positive expense of foreign aid. All other countries received more aid that they gave. Please don't think that we don't care about the health of our citizens. There are just many of us that believe the gov. is a poor vehicle to provide it. Take a look at the history of this country and I don't think you could believe otherwise.

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    Truth hurts! Obamacare is not what I wanted, but it is clearly a move in the right direction. My point is quit complaining about it. It rose from the pits of the republican party, so pay attention to who it benefits most and look at who these beneficiaries support, and you will see republican written all over it.

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