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    She and Rex did train horses, though, didn't they? Anyway, this individual sounds like a good trainer of pointing dogs. But if you're seeking to train a retrieving dog for waterfowl, you'll do far better using methods designed for waterfowl dogs. The goals & methods are very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh79 View Post
    He spends the first "block" teaching nothing but obedience. There is no retrieving in this block at all. In the second "block", he puts the pup on the table and starts a "conditioned retrieve" and then on to the ground, live birds, water, and etc. From there, it's on to the advanced drills.
    Eric - JMO but since the pup is coming up on 4 months old and imagine your fun retrieves, basic OB, social shaping, exposure to water and gun, etc. have been (or will be) done by the time he has your dog...this really doesn't sound much different than most retriever programs. More like a transition to formalizing the obedience and moving to mouth habits/expectations with 'Conditioned Retriever' and then on to live birds and water work.

    There's no point in training some higher aspects of the retrieve discipline unless the ability to manage that is done. I assume your buddy knows what you've done to date to prepare the pup. Frankly sounds like a pretty normal regiment for a hot pup that's 4/5 months old and the work needed thru 6/7 months.

    As others have said - I'd be surprised if there weren't some fun bumpers in his mix to keep up pups good attitude.

    The outline or 'blocks' were kinda thin in description. How would you do it differently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    ...good dog trainers are good dog trainers once they learn the quirks of a certain breed
    A little au contraire there, Bon, if you're going with the idea of pointing dog trainers qualified in taking on retrievers - respectfully, your learned friend's route from training retrievers to pointers is one thing, but I'd no more trust a retriever in the hands of a pointer trainer than I would a midget, er vertically-challenged person, as Blake Griffin's dunkologist.

    As for the quirks of a certain breed, the only quirk I'm looking for is the desire to retrieve, like this 11-week-old show golden



    and can't say that I'd want to quash or suppress that particular "quirk" when starting them out, regardless of the dog's breeding or the owner's eventual intent for using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post

    I can't wait to tell her that one, and you are mistaken unless she led a secret life no one knew about.
    I'll be damned, just shows that not all urban myths are real...how about the story that she was a very fine tennis player in her juniors, is that true or not ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    I'll be damned, just shows that not all urban myths are real...how about the story that she was a very fine tennis player in her juniors, is that true or not ?
    Yes, she was an accomplished tennis player, played doubles on the women's tour briefly. She had a Shetland Sheepdog that she trained for obedience, decided she wanted a retriever and heard about this trainer in Escalon so she went to meet him and the rest, as they say, is history.

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    Darn.....and I thought it might have been Judy that trained Uncle Si's poodle for Duck Dynasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    I'll be damned, just shows that not all urban myths are real...how about the story that she was a very fine tennis player in her juniors, is that true or not ?
    According to her biography on the Vinmarc web page, it is no urban myth. It says there that, as a child, that she "competed in AKC obedience trials with the family poodle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    Yes, she was an accomplished tennis player, played doubles on the women's tour briefly. She had a Shetland Sheepdog that she trained for obedience, decided she wanted a retriever and heard about this trainer in Escalon so she went to meet him and the rest, as they say, is history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lpgar View Post
    Darn.....and I thought it might have been Judy that trained Uncle Si's poodle for Duck Dynasty.
    Nope, that was Rich Louter's (Mooreland, GA) poodle.
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    Bill Hillman uses a lot of obedience training early. Seems to work well for his dogs?

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