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    I have used this area of RTF in the past with great success, and I hope I can get the same results with this issue I currently have with my retriever. Here we go: I have a very high spirited, hard charging, creeping/breaking lab which has been running fantastic, in fact he went 6 for 6 in AKC Master Test to earn his MH Title. Then all of a sudden on a cold day in Tulsa running a Master test, he decided to no go me on a water mark, I thought very strange this dog will break through anything to get a mark. By the way, he needs one more test to qualify for Master National. So the next test comes around, he does a great job through out the entire test until we get to third series (water test) last bird (water blind) and he "no goes" me again. This happens two more times same thing "no goes" on the water blind. He does not have a problem on water marks, charges right into water and front foots most of the marks.. Land blinds are no problem.. When we train he will run every blind water blind we give him with no issues, so we can't get any corrections. We just ran the HOT Master Test this last weekend, same results, did a great job through the entire test, came down to a double water blind, and he did not go. Very Very Very Frustrating..

    I am lost for what to do... My thoughts now are not to run him during the winter test season and I plan on hunting the heck out of him this winter, with every bird down run as a blind... My thinking is let him have some fun, see what hunting is really like, since he has never really hunted, and get a lot of blind training in. Any comments, ideas or suggestion.. In addition to hunting I was going to put him in the backyard this summer and just let him play.

    Appreciate any help, assistance or suggestions.

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    Good luck with your help Rick. I hope you get this problem fixed. I will ask around also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RReeter View Post
    I have used this area of RTF in the past with great success, and I hope I can get the same results with this issue I currently have with my retriever. Here we go: I have a very high spirited, hard charging, creeping/breaking lab which has been running fantastic, in fact he went 6 for 6 in AKC Master Test to earn his MH Title. Then all of a sudden on a cold day in Tulsa running a Master test, he decided to no go me on a water mark, I thought very strange this dog will break through anything to get a mark. By the way, he needs one more test to qualify for Master National. So the next test comes around, he does a great job through out the entire test until we get to third series (water test) last bird (water blind) and he "no goes" me again. This happens two more times same thing "no goes" on the water blind. He does not have a problem on water marks, charges right into water and front foots most of the marks.. Land blinds are no problem.. When we train he will run every blind water blind we give him with no issues, so we can't get any corrections. We just ran the HOT Master Test this last weekend, same results, did a great job through the entire test, came down to a double water blind, and he did not go. Very Very Very Frustrating..

    I am lost for what to do... My thoughts now are not to run him during the winter test season and I plan on hunting the heck out of him this winter, with every bird down run as a blind... My thinking is let him have some fun, see what hunting is really like, since he has never really hunted, and get a lot of blind training in. Any comments, ideas or suggestion.. In addition to hunting I was going to put him in the backyard this summer and just let him play.

    Appreciate any help, assistance or suggestions.
    Sounds like the dog is trial wise to me. Lardy says it only takes 2 trials to make a dog trial wise.

    I also taught one that she didn't have to run a water blinds at trials. It's not hard to do. However, it can be a very tough problem to fix. I got mine "fixed" for a few years. It showed up again when she was 10, and I retired her.

    Certainly, Don't run any more tests or trials before this is fixed!

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    Would like some more back ground info , please..Has he been through a typical training program ..? Has he been forced with the collar on water or swim by ? I assume he wears a collar during training ..And.. that is the difference on test day ? Any thing happen that was unusual the first time he no-goed at the event..? On this last double blind ,did the no-go occur on the first or second blind..? Steve S
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    Review water T , force to water to a pile (very important to do this review) and then set up some blinds , first, if he does not go heel,nick , heel, moving forward , if he still does not go, force to water
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    Thank You and I don't plan on running anymore test with him..

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    Thank you Steve, Here is the additional information: Yes he went through the typical training program and is forced to back pile and on water. Yes he has done swim by.. No he doesn't wear a collar everyday during training, maybe twice a week. The first time he no-goed was on a mark at the Tulsa Master test water series, it was very cold even snowed a bit. The land blind at the same test he lined the first one and 2 whistled the second.. What was strange his first no-go was on a mark, in which he never failed to go on a mark, be it training, HRC test, AKC test or field trial. And at the last test, it was the first blind when he didn't go.. and smashed the marks the first being a long swim, and the temp was in the mid 70's.

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    Thank you Bridget, I will review T, and back pile, and like I originally mentioned, during training he normally runs good blinds, both land and water, that is the frustrating part I can't get the correction.. I wish there was a way (I know it isn't allowed) I could run by-dog at a test so maybe I could the correction. As Doug mentioned I think he is just test wise and that is why I thought maybe hunting him for a season without running test would help..

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    Additional information: My dog is 4 1/2 years old and has been running nothing but HRC Finished test, AKC Master Test, AKC Quals and Derbys.. His line manners at a test are very loose in that he creeps almost every mark and has to be re-heeled.. He is full of energy and is very explosive. Except for blinds, he has never really liked blind but he always ran them until Tulsa..

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    Next time at a test, just before you run the water blind, go off grounds and force dog to a back pile on land a few times using e-collar.
    He should go pretty good when you run the h2o blind.
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