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Thread: Retired gun marks: to handle, or not handle, during training

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    [QUOTE=Bruce MacPherson;1104803]
    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    Oh and don't pay attention to Bon. Anyone who doesn't handle on marks in training won't get far at all.

    I assuming you two are buddies. if not I would have to question you're reasoning for casting aspertions on another RTF member.
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    Don't know him and no assertions cast.
    My point is that he is Wrong to tell people never to handle in training, period. His rant centered around handling a dog after it widens it's hunt in the fall area. This is a different animal.
    Also, handling "on" a mark is different than handling "to" a mark.
    Too much Blowing and Recall could lead to Popping and other problems just like Handling.
    For Handling "on" marks in training I would follow the 3 H's. First Help, then Handle then Hurt (so to speak).
    I would rarely if ever handle a dog near gunners or in the are of the fall. If using remotes and a dog is in big trouble you may not have a choice. One big reason to use live birdboys.
    On path to a mark depending on the dogs decisions there are many opportunities to apply 3 H's prior to dog getting close to gun or area of fall.
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    When trying to teach a young dog retired guns. Have the guns retire while the dog is enroute to the mark.
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    Thanks for all the comments, I'm feeling less clueless.
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    Did you watch the video?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Boy View Post
    When trying to teach a young dog retired guns. Have the guns retire while the dog is enroute to the mark.
    That's how we'd start out as well. Let the dog come back in from picking up the first or second mark, line him/her up at the retired gun who has yet to retire....and then either instruct the gunner to retire or have him retire the moment I send the dog. Radios are imperative in teaching retireds (IMO) as if the gunner is unable to see the dog, he's unable to help unless you have a means of instructing him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    Did you watch the video?


    /paul
    Paul, why do you feel compelled to make fun of people asking for help with retriever training, on a forum for people needing help with retriever training?

    Why don't you tell us all how you learned to train retrievers? Did you go to retriever training school? Who did you apprentice with? Have you produced any all age dogs?
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    I there a "wrong side" of a retired gun?

    Is the AOF greatly larger with a long memory bird that is retired?

    I would think the "Handling woud be used for factors avoided in route to AOF..

    If teaching a young dog the concept of retired guns, it would make sense to me to begin with a shorter distance,,with very few factors in route,
    Make the mark TOTALLY about the guy deciding to sit down and hide, then as the dog starts to "get it" add different things in route.

    If dog has touble then, have BB stand up, maybe fake a throw,, and THEN dont be afeared to repeat..... the same mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitty View Post
    Paul, why do you feel compelled to make fun of people asking for help with retriever training, on a forum for people needing help with retriever training?

    Why don't you tell us all how you learned to train retrievers? Did you go to retriever training school? Who did you apprentice with? Have you produced any all age dogs?
    There's a small but significant bylaw written into the RTF rules of conduct that states for every ten posts of helpful advice there must be one, sarcastic, belittling or humorous unrelated to the subject post. Or as an alternative you can substitute any post from featherquest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Robinson View Post
    There's a small but significant bylaw written into the RTF rules of conduct that states for every ten post of helpful advice there must be one, sarcastic, belittling or humorous unrelated to the subject post. Or as an alternative you can substitute any post from featherquest.
    I still don't understand a single thing that fella says...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckquilizer View Post
    I still don't understand a single thing that fella says...

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