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    Default Lack of Drive ???? HELP!

    This is the setup
    8 month old
    Using SmartWorks Program.
    CC to fetch
    Just got through walking fetch & fetch no fetch
    Now working on Mini Pile.

    I am concerned about the lack of drive during this pile work. He runs at about 50%-60%. It seems to me like it is a lack of confidence. In the 3 bumper mini pile as used in Smartworks, the first cast he gives 100% to the bumper “5 or 6 feet away” but as the distance increases “bumper two 10 feet” “bumper three 15-20 feet” he steadily decreases the amount of drive.
    So what are some techniques for increasing drive during pile work and blinds? Fetch-Nick-Fetch???????????????

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    I do not know the drill you are speaking of off the top of my head, but if you are running him past a spot where he just picked up a bumper of course he is gonna slow down just a little to check out whether or not he missed something. Also drills are BORING!!
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    I'd be giving him a lot of live pigeons, etc, in between all this if you aren't. He may be a little immature for a lot of structured force work at that age. Others may disagree however.

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    Are you sure he is solid on Force Fetch? I am nor familiar with the SmartWorks program, so I cannot comment on that.
    In my experience if they are properly Forced and understand pressure I don't think they would be having this problem.
    One clue you gave is your last question-Fetch nick Fetch- If your are increasing your distance from the pile you should have had an easy transition from the word Fetch to back. Not sure I am helping or not.
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    Quick question are you giving fun bumpers and lifting the tempo during drills as said earlier drills are boring
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgengr View Post
    This is the setup
    8 month old
    Using SmartWorks Program.
    CC to fetch
    ....So what are some techniques for increasing drive during pile work and blinds? Fetch-Nick-Fetch???????????????

    Thanks,
    Dustin
    You can't force style. When you force a dog, and see the dog accelerate, that's not style; it's avoidance. It doesn't tend to last. In fact it tends to go the other way - taking the dog's overall style down right along with his attitude. Can you shoot some video of a typical session and post it up or email it to me? rushcreekpress@aol.com

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    Ditto what Evan said: Not uncommon for dogs to slow down and be a bit moody during this time. You are doing fine, maybe relax the pressure for a few days - just throw some fun bumpers, get him on some birds......sometimes they just need a little time to process.
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    You could be creating the lack of style you are seeing by 1) over drilling - yes, they are boring to the dog as well as you. You can suck the style out of them. 2) running him past the point he has already picked up a bumper 3) not praising enough. Use your fun bumpers.

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    Thanks for the replies.
    I plan to get on some real birds this weekend at a HRC training day. Unfortunately it is not easy for me to keep live birds or frozen ones right now. I hope that will get him fired up.
    I think he is properly FF he gets it. He did great in walking fetch and fetch no fetch. If I say fetch he is looking for a bumper to pick up..
    Evan,
    I was hoping you would join in on this. Judging by some replies your program must take a little different approach to this than others. I have been following your program, and plan to continue all the way through. BTW I have put no force into mini pile. The force question was simply that; just a question. I will try to get some video this weekend of a typical afternoon session, and post it.

    I will try to be more excited and animated as well. I probably taking too much of a drill sergeant approach to this, I struggle to remember he is not even a year old yet….

    Thanks,
    Dustin

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    And some video? Is that a go?

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