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    In the early years of AKC HT they would do just that. As a matter of fact, I have an old poloroid picture of my dog entering a huge patch of cattails down around Sarasota, FL. For reasons stated above, and the obvious hazards this practice might have in the Southeast, the practice didn't last long. In hunting down here, if a bird sails into the cattails, I will go look for it but won't send the dog.
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    Interesting. Up here it is pretty much the exact opposite. I don't want to think about how many birds my hunting partners and I would've lost over the years had we not had dogs that could get into the cattails and find downed game (not to mention all the roosters we'd have never seen and shot had the dogs not ventured into those same cattails).

    Back to the original intention of this thread, I just think that for someone to come up to the line knowing they are only going to waste the club's resources and everyone's time by watching the birds fall and then walking off is very poor sportsmanship. I have no issue with someone deciding not to run a test, for various reasons, but to demonstrate that level of character, walking off, is pretty lowly in my opinion.
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    Taking your dog off of the line is an option. I can't think of an option that is any less effective though. The judges have already made up their minds that this is a good set up.

    Try this option: After somebody volunteers to run the test dog, simply tell the judges that you need to scratch #7 because you can't risk another ACL injury in that mud, or my dog is too old to run through those rocks, or the broken limbs in the tall grass. Tell the Marshall to note in the secretary's report as to why you scratched.

    If you think it's a stupid test: 5 points, are 5 points! Somebody's going to get them.

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    Originally Posted by claimsadj
    I've done it a handful of times for a creeping issue but never to show up judges. That is in bad taste IMO. If I saw something I flat out didn't want my dog to run I would just leave rather than go to the line to make a scene.

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    That's an expensive way to teach your dog not to creep...
    Not as expensive as having it happen every time you go to the line, if the dog is good in training and creeping at the show then you may need to consider some expensive lessons to let him know and get it under control.
    Field Trials are competitions....not everyone gets a "participation ribbon" and they do "keep score"

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    This is a great thread.

    On the one hand I have worried about my dog's safety on some setups, on the other hand I think I am over cautious.

    As a newb, I tend to defer to more experienced people like judges.

    I have one of those dogs that always tries to leap from one bank to the next, scares me bad sometimes. If I see something like this in a test, I will be less reluctant to speak up, and walk away if my dog's safety is in doubt.
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    For a creeper, one getting sticky, club/group training days aren't "real" to a seasoned dog...only the "real" day will work. I've seen it done for one little whimper (dog had been being noisy and was headed to the Grand).
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonybrook View Post
    Back to the original intention of this thread, I just think that for someone to come up to the line knowing they are only going to waste the club's resources and everyone's time by watching the birds fall and then walking off is very poor sportsmanship. I have no issue with someone deciding not to run a test, for various reasons, but to demonstrate that level of character, walking off, is pretty lowly in my opinion.
    To be clear, are you referring only to a pick up to "show-up" the judges in your above statement, or

    Are you also referring to someone picking up a dog that has lost control of its line manners to the point where the judges are already giving the handler the eye and the handler picks the dog up after the marks are thrown but prior to allowing the dog the reward of picking up the marks to punish the dog for poor behavior?
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    Showing up the judges.
    "Speed of the captain, speed of the ship."

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    Then I would agree 100%....
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonybrook View Post
    Back to the original intention of this thread, I just think that for someone to come up to the line knowing they are only going to waste the club's resources and everyone's time by watching the birds fall and then walking off is very poor sportsmanship. I have no issue with someone deciding not to run a test, for various reasons, but to demonstrate that level of character, walking off, is pretty lowly in my opinion.
    I have seen it done for a variety of reasons--even saw one time where several handlers did it. No big deal in my book. It doesn't really affect the club much--no more than a 'no bird' or a break--and a handler can scratch whenever they want. If it is a big deal for the club, perhaps they should look into the reasons a handler or handlers feel the need to do such a thing.

    Not exactly the same thing, but my favorite instance was when a friend was retiring his dog. After years of making the dog steady, as soon as the flyer was shot, he didn't wait and sent his dog for it. The whole gallery applauded and even the judges thought it was fitting.

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