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    I have a question.

    What's the justification for separating boys and girls b/c of their sexual implications(Enabler)
    but not separating homosexual boys and girls b/c of their sexual implications?

    Is it not the same sexual implications for both?

    A Coworker today said that he thought it would be like a Gay Dudes Gold Mine to be surrounded by those who he is sexually attracted to lol

    I'm not sure about that but it is an interesting/intriguing thought.

    Its only fair if a gay guy joins the army and gets to shower with what excites him. ( Yes he is a man and gets horned up as easy as any red blooded dude) Then I can join the army and stay at the girls barracks.

    ,,now I'm thinkin back on my college days in the dorm,,, AH man, That SOB
    John 5 :30
    I can of my own self do nothing ,as I hear , I judge,,and my judgement is just, because I seek not my own will,,but the will of the father which hath sent me
    John 7:16 -- Jesus answered them and said my doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    mark 16:9 -- So then after the lord had spoken unto them,he was received up in heaven, and sat on the right hand of God
    I Tim. 2:5 --For there is one God and one mediator between God and man ,, the man Christ Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by djansma View Post
    I believe it was in the late 70's the uniforms had scout of America on them instead of Boy Scouts of America
    David Jansma
    After our time. It was early and mid 70's.
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    Menmon...I know you are trying to be fare in your comments, but you did not answer the question what does "Openly Gay" mean? We both agree that gays have always been in the Scouts (some knowing they were gay, some not). People who are Homophobic whether it is for religious reasons or a strong bias, also have always existed. So really nothing is changing, except you cannot get rid of a Scout for being "Openly Gay"....so homophobe's will just change tactics to get rid of kids they do not want....nothing has changed except the traditional religious support that goes with Scouting is again being forced by the pressure from Government and the PC thinking, to do something that is against their religion. You cannot legislate morality, You cannot change the mind of man, that does not want to be changed!
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    (CNN) – For Southern Baptist pastor Tim Reed, it was Scripture versus the Scouts.

    “God’s word explicitly says homosexuality is a choice, a sin,” said Reed, pastor of First Baptist Church of Gravel Ridge in Jacksonville, Arkansas.

    So when the Boy Scouts of America voted to lift its ban on openly gay youths on May 24, Reed said the church had no choice but to cut its charter with Troop 542.

    “It’s not a hate thing here,” Reed told CNN affiliate Fox 16. “It’s a moral stance we must take as a Southern Baptist church.”

    Southern Baptist leaders say Reed is not alone.

    Baptist churches sponsor nearly 4,000 Scout units representing more than 100,000 youths, according to the Boy Scouts of America.

    That number could drop precipitously.

    The Southern Baptist Convention, the country’s largest Protestant denomination, will soon urge its 45,000 congregations and 16 million members to cut ties with the Scouts, according to church leaders.

    The denomination will vote on nonbinding but influential resolutions during a convention June 11-12 in Houston.

    “There’s a 100% chance that there will be a resolution about disaffiliation at the convention,” said Richard Land, the longtime head of the Southern Baptists’ Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, “and a 100% chance that 99% of people will vote for it.”

    “Southern Baptists are going to be leaving the Boy Scouts en masse,” Land continued.

    Roger “Sing” Oldham, a spokesman for the Southern Baptist Convention, emphasized that local congregations make their own decision on the Scouts.

    But he, too, said he expects Baptist delegates, which the church calls “messengers,” to voice their disagreement with the BSA's decision to allow gay youths.

    “With this policy change, the Boy Scouts’ values are contradictory to the basic values of our local churches,” Oldham said.

    Several religious groups with strong Scouting ties support the new policy.

    “We have heard from both those who support the amended policy and those who would have preferred it would not have changed,” said BSA spokesman Deron Smith.

    Faith-based organizations charter more than 70% of Scout chapters, providing meeting space and leadership, according to the BSA.

    “There have been some organizations that have decided not to renew their charters with Scouting," said Smith, "but we can’t quantify the impact of the amended policy."

    The National Jewish Committee on Scouting, the United Church of Christ, the Episcopal Church, the Unitarian Universalist Association and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which sponsors more Scout units than any other faith, all endorsed the change.

    The National Catholic Committee on Scouting, which is run with oversight from a bishop, said Thursday that allowing gay youths in the Scouts does not conflict with church teaching. Each bishop will decide whether or not to allow churches in his diocese to charter Scout units, the committee added.

    “We ask that Catholic Scouters and chartered organization heads not rush to judgment,” said Edward Martin, chairman of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting.

    But the Rev. Derek Lappe, pastor of the Our Lady Star of the Sea Catholic Church in Bremerton, Washington, has already made up his mind.

    “I do not feel that it is possible for us to live out, and to teach, the authentic truth about human sexuality within the confines of the Boy Scout’s new policy,” said Lappe.

    The priest told CNN affiliate FOX16 that his parish will part ways with the Scouts and develop its own programs.

    There may soon be an alternative to the Scouts for social conservatives like Lappe.

    John Stemberger, founder of On My Honor, a group that opposed the Scouts’ change in policy, plans to convene conservatives in Louisville, Kentucky, in June to consider forming a new Scout-like group, which could be up and running by the end of 2013.

    “Churches and Scoutmasters are looking for leadership and direction,” said Stemberg, an attorney in Orlando, Florida.

    A number of conservative religious denominations already sponsor their own groups.

    For instance, the Southern Baptists have the Royal Ambassadors, an explicitly Christian program founded in 1908 for boys in first through sixth grade. (A similar group called Challengers equips older boys in “mission education.”)

    The name comes from the New Testament, in which the Apostle Paul tells Christians to be “ambassadors for Christ.”

    The estimated 31,000 Royal Ambassadors pledge “ to become a well-informed, responsible follower of Christ; to have a Christlike concern for all people; to learn how to carry the message of Christ around the world; to work with others in sharing Christ; and to keep myself clean and healthy in mind and body."

    While not as outdoorsy as the Boy Scouts, Ambassadors do camp and play sports, said Land, who was a member of the group during the 1950s. But instead of merit badges for archery and bird study, young Ambassadors earn patches for memorizing Bible verses and mission work.

    Southern Baptists said they are preparing for a surge of interest in the Royal Ambassadors at their upcoming convention in Houston.

    “We really have an opportunity here to strengthen our RA programs,” the Rev. Ernest Easley, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committee, said in a sermon last Sunday, “and to get the boys in a program where they’re going to be protected, where there’s a high moral standard and where they will have an opportunity to learn about camping, missions, evangelism in the local church.”
    - Daniel Burke
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    OK. So, what do you think? Are they right or are they wrong?

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