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    Do you believe this?
    Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said Wednesday that there is no evidence that the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of tea-party applications was politically motivated.


    “With all of the investigation that’s gone on, there has been no evidence of any political decision making in the IRS,” Lew told CBS’s Scott Pelley in an interview set to air Wednesday evening. Lew ascribed the scrutiny that tea-party applications received to “bad judgment” on the part of agency officials. “The president said that. I said that. We put in place a new acting commissioner who has done what he was asked to do to get to the bottom of it and to go forward building a strong IRS that the public can be confident in.”


    The acting commissioner, Danny Werfel, is in the midst of investigating the targeting scandal, as are the FBI, the Department of Justice, and several congressional committees. None of them, to date, have revealed evidence that the targeting was motivated by political animus, but Republican lawmakers in particular have made clear that their probes are, at this point, incomplete.


    Asked whether any political appointee has been implicated in the scandal — Pelley was clearly referring to the IRS’s chief counsel, William Wilkins, whose office was involved in drafting the guidelines used to process tea-party applicaitons — Lew responded, “There has been no evidence of anyone in a political position having been involved in any of those decisions.”
    Of course, there was no evidence of politcal favoritism. The IG refuted the IRS claim that both conservative and liberal groups were equally reviewed. It was admitted that the cases were referred to the IRS General Counsel in DC. There was unrefutable testimony from an individual who was targeted by the IRS, and other agencies, after the IRS started reviewing the non-profit application. None of this would indicate any wrong-doing.

    The IRS investigated itself ... just as DOJ investigated itself and found no wrong-doing. And the POTUS then stands up and calls all of this "phony scandals". Nobody is being held accountable for anything, anywhere ... not even incompetence, much less for civil rights violations. (Not even considering the waste of taxpayer money for all the parties and travel expenses.)

    What good is Congressional oversight? They can enforce no real penalties. Those in Congress who do the investigating are vilified, and then have to face the voters. The bureaucrats get off scott free keeping their jobs and their benefits; even being promoted for their poor judgment (at the very least). The Executive branch rules.

    Then the POTUS goes on his speaking tour and claims DC is out of touch ... he distances himself from "DC", while he is the most high profile figure in DC. Where are his executive orders for fixing some of these agencies? Nope. He's campaigning to remove the sequester cuts and raising the debt ceiling.
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    Jack Lew is a liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helencalif View Post
    Jack Lew is a liar.
    I agree, but which one of the Dems and Repubs isn't?
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    From the Daily Mail:
    In response to the new scandal, the IRS released the following statement: “The IRS has put in place new procedures to stop the practice of allowing executives to routinely leave their home office to travel to another city to conduct their principal work. The previous practice, while allowed under federal rules, is no longer appropriate for this tight fiscal environment.”
    Why would it ever be "appropriate" to waste taxpayers' money? If they were more careful about how taxpayer money is spent, we wouldn't be in such a mess to begin with.

    It would seem that basically the rules permit funds for "commuting"?
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    Not sure who actually has any control over the IRS. It is set up to be immune from either party's control for obvious political reasons. Seems now that the Tea Party 501 scandal was actually another Carl Rove misdeed trying to sabotage the Tea party for the Republicans who are totally hamstrung by the Tea Party at this time. None of the true conservative congressional members dare to upset the Tea party for fear of being Primary'd out of office. If only they had enacted term limits when they won control of congress in 1994 on the Contract with America platform which included term limits and campaign finance reform neither of which came to fruition. Both side are bought and paid for by the same corporate & Wall Street money.

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    The whole issue is bogus. All 501's should be taxed as should all revenues received by all of those who campaign for office. You and I have to pay gift or income tax on all revenues. I recently read that the whole thing was started by Carl Rove to try and slow down the Tea party which is killing the Republican party. Every congressperson who signed the Tea party pledge should be removed from office. The whole Tea Party premise of no new revenues is bogus and cannot work in the real world. Why? Inflation. There has been no new spending bills passed since Fen 12010 when Sen Brown R-Mass. was sworn in. Over 400 filibusters in the senate since then. No bill is allowed on the floor even for debate until restructured to fit the OK of the Republican minority. The 60 vote rule is bogus and has ground all meaningful legislation attempts to a halt. Follow the money, not the lies by both sides and by all media including Fox which fabricated the Panetta/Bengazi video and subsequent CNN interviews with Panetta and Dempsey. Both videos were exposed on Teaparty.net as frauds with the name of the person who edited them and the real transcripts of them as well. The whole financial debt/deficit mess was totally predicted by Alan Greenspan in testimony before the senate Jan. 25 2001. He told congress that he doubted they would keep the same financial discipline that occurred during the Clinton years. He also told them to privatize social security as they would spend the trust fund. He told them the tax cut would HAVE to have automatic triggers to immediately eliminate ALL of them if the deficits returned. I used to be a conservative but we were totally sold out during the W years. Now an independent with no trust for any of them. The last 3 years of W's last term I read the GAO reports to congress which are issued monthly. Every month the GOA told them that health care benefits for all local.state, and federal workers were the largest threat to government, even more so than the growing deficits. The actual new debt during 2008 in W's last year in office was over 1.3 Trillion dollars. It peaked at 1.6 trillion as the last half of TARP was paid out and the stimulus packages860 Billion total were added. We were losing 750,000 jobs per month when W left office. Tax revenues in 2012 were 15% of GDP the lowest rate in over 60 years. No one talks about fixing the federal retirement plan which is losing 67 billion per year. Current retireses paid $1 for every$12 of benefits. 1 out of every 125 receives over $100,000 per year. The same thing that broke GM is breaking the government, health care expenses. health care now is 15% of the GDP. Until we fix it we are toast. We cannot compete with Europe for jobs. Ireland had corporate taxes @12.5% along with free health care and government pension. No wonder Apple and Cysco(sp) are there along with many other US corporations. There are ways to give businesses tax cut without giving them to the wealthiest Americans as well. 48% 0f the 2012 deficit was directly due to tax cuts. Right at $500 billion. Medicare/Medicade lost 19 billion last year. 14 billion was due to overpayment for medicine as required by the 2003 Medicare prescription Act. The Fair Pricing clause would have required the same pro=icing that the VA get but the republicans exempted it. As a result Medicare pays 3 times more for the same medicines bought by the VA. One republican who voted against the bill said it was the worst bill in history for the taxpayer. In fairness it took a few democrat votes to get it passed. Both sides are bought off. We have one of the most corrupt governments in the world. We need term limits of one term only. All bills passed into law should have to have been passed by both parties. All judicial nominations should be approved by both side and immediately as well. State redistricting which occurs with every new census should have to have approval of all major parties in that legislature. This is currently being used to steal elections and federal congressional seats. In the 2008 election sevearl state vote 65% Dems and only got 30% of the representatives to the house. Not saying this is just a republican thing but once one side pulls a scheme like this the other follows suit when they can. No congressperson should get any pension whatsoever. Supposed to be public service, not a career. Social security would be solvent if the 5 trillion spent was still in the trust fund.

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    I don't get the connection of Carl Rove & the IRS misdeeds. Not sure anyone is left who puts much stock in Rove's opinion.
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    Back to the IRS... Jack Lew Lied.

    Pound on the Republicans all you want. Regarding what the IRS did... Jack Lew lied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogdaddy View Post
    Not sure who actually has any control over the IRS. It is set up to be immune from either party's control for obvious political reasons. Seems now that the Tea Party 501 scandal was actually another Carl Rove misdeed trying to sabotage the Tea party for the Republicans who are totally hamstrung by the Tea Party at this time. None of the true conservative congressional members dare to upset the Tea party for fear of being Primary'd out of office. If only they had enacted term limits when they won control of congress in 1994 on the Contract with America platform which included term limits and campaign finance reform neither of which came to fruition. Both side are bought and paid for by the same corporate & Wall Street money.
    Quote Originally Posted by dogdaddy View Post
    The whole issue is bogus. All 501's should be taxed as should all revenues received by all of those who campaign for office. You and I have to pay gift or income tax on all revenues. I recently read that the whole thing was started by Carl Rove to try and slow down the Tea party which is killing the Republican party. Every congressperson who signed the Tea party pledge should be removed from office. The whole Tea Party premise of no new revenues is bogus and cannot work in the real world. Why? Inflation. There has been no new spending bills passed since Fen 12010 when Sen Brown R-Mass. was sworn in. Over 400 filibusters in the senate since then. No bill is allowed on the floor even for debate until restructured to fit the OK of the Republican minority. The 60 vote rule is bogus and has ground all meaningful legislation attempts to a halt. Follow the money, not the lies by both sides and by all media including Fox which fabricated the Panetta/Bengazi video and subsequent CNN interviews with Panetta and Dempsey. Both videos were exposed on Teaparty.net as frauds with the name of the person who edited them and the real transcripts of them as well. The whole financial debt/deficit mess was totally predicted by Alan Greenspan in testimony before the senate Jan. 25 2001. He told congress that he doubted they would keep the same financial discipline that occurred during the Clinton years. He also told them to privatize social security as they would spend the trust fund. He told them the tax cut would HAVE to have automatic triggers to immediately eliminate ALL of them if the deficits returned. I used to be a conservative but we were totally sold out during the W years. Now an independent with no trust for any of them. The last 3 years of W's last term I read the GAO reports to congress which are issued monthly. Every month the GOA told them that health care benefits for all local.state, and federal workers were the largest threat to government, even more so than the growing deficits. The actual new debt during 2008 in W's last year in office was over 1.3 Trillion dollars. It peaked at 1.6 trillion as the last half of TARP was paid out and the stimulus packages860 Billion total were added. We were losing 750,000 jobs per month when W left office. Tax revenues in 2012 were 15% of GDP the lowest rate in over 60 years. No one talks about fixing the federal retirement plan which is losing 67 billion per year. Current retireses paid $1 for every$12 of benefits. 1 out of every 125 receives over $100,000 per year. The same thing that broke GM is breaking the government, health care expenses. health care now is 15% of the GDP. Until we fix it we are toast. We cannot compete with Europe for jobs. Ireland had corporate taxes @12.5% along with free health care and government pension. No wonder Apple and Cysco(sp) are there along with many other US corporations. There are ways to give businesses tax cut without giving them to the wealthiest Americans as well. 48% 0f the 2012 deficit was directly due to tax cuts. Right at $500 billion. Medicare/Medicade lost 19 billion last year. 14 billion was due to overpayment for medicine as required by the 2003 Medicare prescription Act. The Fair Pricing clause would have required the same pro=icing that the VA get but the republicans exempted it. As a result Medicare pays 3 times more for the same medicines bought by the VA. One republican who voted against the bill said it was the worst bill in history for the taxpayer. In fairness it took a few democrat votes to get it passed. Both sides are bought off. We have one of the most corrupt governments in the world. We need term limits of one term only. All bills passed into law should have to have been passed by both parties. All judicial nominations should be approved by both side and immediately as well. State redistricting which occurs with every new census should have to have approval of all major parties in that legislature. This is currently being used to steal elections and federal congressional seats. In the 2008 election sevearl state vote 65% Dems and only got 30% of the representatives to the house. Not saying this is just a republican thing but once one side pulls a scheme like this the other follows suit when they can. No congressperson should get any pension whatsoever. Supposed to be public service, not a career. Social security would be solvent if the 5 trillion spent was still in the trust fund.
    You obviously have an opinion - not sure it qualifies as either seasoned or well informed.
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