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    Handler calls for marks (all-age stake), and as marks are going down the dog doesn't move its head towards a gun so the handler taps his/her leg to draw the dog to the station? Do you drop the dog/handler? How about a person who drags or stomps his/her feet on the mat to draw the dog to the gun station for the mark? Do you drop the dog/handler?
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    Could I ? Yes
    Do I or have I ? No

    For me it usually a warning to handler( don't do it again) and notation on the page of that dog.

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    I've been told in hunt tests it's intimidation. I would be dropped if I did it again.

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    The Field Trial Rules state: During the period from the moment when the handler signals readiness for the birds to be thrown until the dog’s number is called, the handler of the working or honoring dog shall remain silent. Also, in all marking tests during such period, the handler’s hands shall remain quietly in close proximity to his body. A handler who projects his hand during such period, whether for the purpose of assisting his dog to locate a fall or otherwise, should be considered to have used a threatening gesture, and his dog penalized accordingly. I could not find the regulation for AKC Hunting Tests--not saying it isn't there, just that I could not find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiRollerlabs View Post
    The Field Trial Rules state: During the period from the moment when the handler signals readiness for the birds to be thrown until the dog’s number is called, the handler of the working or honoring dog shall remain silent. Also, in all marking tests during such period, the handler’s hands shall remain quietly in close proximity to his body. A handler who projects his hand during such period, whether for the purpose of assisting his dog to locate a fall or otherwise, should be considered to have used a threatening gesture, and his dog penalized accordingly. I could not find the regulation for AKC Hunting Tests--not saying it isn't there, just that I could not find it.

    Good Question
    My experience is that the foot shuffle, stomp etc is given far more leeway than hand motion

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    I have seen this in Senior HT, handlers sternly warned for just this. One was dropped. For me it is bending the rules and I do not do it.
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    I am in the same boat as Tim. I will warn on a leg pat for sure and hate the foot shuffle! One handler this weekend during the Open I was judging almost dug a hole. My co-judge who has judged a National had no issues with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Peters-labguy23 View Post
    I am in the same boat as Tim. I will warn on a leg pat for sure and hate the foot shuffle! One handler this weekend during the Open I was judging almost dug a hole. My co-judge who has judged a National had no issues with it.
    why?..............
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    As the rule states the handler SHALL REMAIN SILENT......that's why.
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    It also says the dog shall too, but I don't know too many judges who will knock a dog for being a lil vocal.

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