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    so i'm having the hardest time with no-goes. as you may recall i had a switching thread not too long ago and i tried a dirt clod drill to remedy it. low and behold my bird boy who i'm furious at (he's my BIL living rent free so there are other reasons to my anger this just adds to it) decides to not listen to my explicit directions to throw the dummy out just as the dog makes the decision to switch (which i'll signal by raising my hand) and then "hey hey" him back to his area. instead he allows the dog to get more than halfway to the other fall and watching him not me the whole time i handle him back to the BIL thinking he's already thrown the dummy out there (i'm paying attention to the dog not him as timing was everything). the dog hunts for a little while then switches again this time he blows off sit whistle which i start mixing in with nicks and even come in whistles and runs for the other fall and picks the dummy up. whistle-burn-whistle i walk out there take the dummy out of his mouth realize the BIL hasnt thrown the dummy. yell at him have him kind of drop one unnoticed to the dog then bring the dog back to his area and have him bring that dummy in.


    no-go's 8 out of 10 marks ever since. when i get a no-go i've been treating it like i did with blinds. "here-nick-here Moose" (while walking towards mark) usually followed by another no-go repeat. he's seeing the mark because i started watching his head/eyes all the way to the fall. one time we had to do that over a 25 yard sequence before he would go after it.

    this seems like a lack of confidence? obviously i didnt handle the situation well from the get go and can we just refrain from the bashing? but how can i get back on track? its like one of those situations where your like "please if i can just get him back to where he was pre-drill i'll never do that drill again". i actually have considered maybe his career is done before it even began and i should sell him? although i could never do it, it has crossed my mind. i truly am at a loss.

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    Blake, you really need to get with a good group of experienced folks.

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    i've got one group that does FT training but its an hour and half away so its on weekends only. weekday training i'm on my own

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake_mhoona View Post
    i've got one group that does FT training but its an hour and half away so its on weekends only. weekday training i'm on my own
    are you following a sequential program? TRT, Smartworks,?????
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    even a thunder 5000 or somethinng like that and a stickman would be better than a birdboy who won't listen.

    could use radios, so you don't have to be looking at each other... just look at the dog

    Just back way up and simplify. confidence...
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    Ease up, short singles, singles singles with birds live birds if you have them. Reduce many of the factors then ease back into them.
    Everyone has set backs from time to time that is part of the game we play.
    SUCESS cures lot of mistakes we make (you and him will feel lots better with a little sucess)

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    Go back to SIMPLE SIMPLE marks. Maybe even fun bumpers for a while. No collar pressure. It is highly probably misunderstood collar pressure created the problem. Start back almost like he is a puppy with all fun and plenty of excitement. Gradually work back to training marks, but only after it has become completely fun for him. If you aren't sure he will go with no issues, don't send him. 100% success at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frito View Post
    Ease up, short singles, singles singles with birds live birds if you have them. Reduce many of the factors then ease back into them.
    Everyone has set backs from time to time that is part of the game we play.
    SUCESS cures lot of mistakes we make (you and him will feel lots better with a little sucess)

    ....Jimmy
    Typing at the same time. I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    even a thunder 5000 or somethinng like that and a stickman would be better than a birdboy who won't listen.

    could use radios, so you don't have to be looking at each other... just look at the dog

    Just back way up and simplify. confidence...
    marty: TRT

    huntinman: i agree wholeheartedly. every day is a new adventure.

    i send him out there to throw a mark yesterday. bang-toss dog no-goes. move forward ask him to rethrow. he tosses it in the air no bang. dog was not watching. i ask him later where was the shot? "oh i only grabbed one primer"

    ask for a high toss so the dog def sees it. i get a little 5 yard off the ground toss. while he texts on his phone

    ask for the same toss and fall on consecutive throws while working on cheating singles. i get 3 seperate tosses 5-10 yards apart from the previous.

    ask for a "hey hey" he acts like he's whispering in church.

    apparently the wife doesnt care to hear me complain as thats all i do about him so i guess i needed to vent to somebody else. i think he's seen the last of throwing for me. time to break out the wingers again. just wish they had a "hey-hey" sounds instead of alarm tone.

    as to the simplyifying: yesterday did singles off multiple guns all within 125 yards no-goed 2 of 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Lee View Post
    are you following a sequential program? TRT, Smartworks,?????
    Still waiting for a reply to this.

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