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    Quote Originally Posted by windycanyon View Post
    With me, I want the contract signed, deposit in hand by 2-3 wks old, and I'd like to see the whites of the persons' eyes if they live w/in a reasonable distance or at least talk to them on the phone (plus email) directly. I've had friends, family members, etc, who assured me their parents etc seriously wanted a dog only to find out the party wasn't really ready yet. I've had others that travel so much I didn't feel it was fair to the puppy to be raised by their boarding kennel. Nope, you have to take the time to get to know folks personally! Even so, it's not 100% guaranteed you won't be fooled.

    Welcome to breeding... Sorry it didn't go better but it's great you are sharing your stories to make others aware of what can and does occasionally go wrong.
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    Maybe I am missing something. You had 2 potential buyers...1 wanted a female/1 wanted a male. Potential buyer that wanted a female backed out...Potential buyer that wanted a male now wants female?

    So, let the potential buyer that wanted the male initially have the female that the potential buyer backed out on. That would leave you with one male pup to sell, rather than having 2 to "re-sell".

    Since you didn't take deposits, you aren't "out" anything and apparently had back up buyers since you state that you sent a text telling the sire's owner the female and male pup were sold. Making the switch would have saved you from having to get 2 back up buyers, instead of just one.

    One problem that I see is that you did not have personal contact with the 2 potential buyers. I assume that you were using whatever information the sire's owner was giving you as to the potential new homes for the pups that you put so much care into with hand-feeding/etc. I always like to have lots of contact with my puppy buyers so that I can find out the home situation, children in the household, future plans for the pup, etc. This helps me in guiding them in the right direction to pick the best suited pup for their situation. I have lived 24/7 with my pups and know each one's "real" personality. Having potential buyers come to see the pups on just one or even a couple of visits may not show them each pup's true personality. (For example, the little alpha female may have been playing rough with her siblings prior to the potential buyer's visit so that when they do arrive, she is tired and therefore not the little rascal as 'normal' for her to be )

    Circumstances can change and some potential buyers may have to back out for various reasons. I never get upset when that happens as I would not want to place any of my pups into a situation that was not ultimate for them. I have been fortunate to normally have a waiting list for my pups, so if a buyer needs to back out, I can call someone on the waiting list and let them know I have a pup available for them.

    My contract of sale does require a non-refundable deposit. However, there was one time that, due to the circumstances that the potential buyer had to back out, i returned the deposit. I have found with having lots of personal contact with my puppy buyers while the dam is pregnant and during the time the pups are whelped to 7-8 weeks old, there is little chance of being surprised by a back out. This contact also helps me to weed out any potential buyer that I would not want to sell one of my pups to under any circumstance. Yes, I have returned a deposit to someone after having several talks/visits and refused to let them have one of my pups.

    So, be glad that you have found good homes for your puppies. That is the most important thing
    Yes I could have done that. My problem was the backing out at 6 weeks of age and then telling me how selling a litter works etcetc and him assuming he could just change his pick at last minute. This is after I had turned down friends and others for a female pup. The female pup was worth a lot more money thn the male pup, so I chose to sell her to someone tht had previously offered me almost twice what I was asking. This helped me recoup some of the money lost and it went to someone I personally knew which after the phone call and rear chewing I received, was glad he backed out on his male as well. It also went to a great home and will travel the world retrieving ducks with getducks owner.

    Just people seem to think they can dictate whatever they want at times that got to me.

    Then there are people like a doctor I work with. I had several pups with eye infections from septic fluid leaking from my dam. One didn't develope an eye and one was partially blind in both eyes due to this. Now the one with only one eye was a great dog and had no idea she only had one eye. The other was a sweet boy that had tons of personality and could see some but to wat degree was questionable. The doctor I work with wanted to pay for all vet bills, eye specialist visit, etcetc because she fell in love with him. She is jumping through hoops so he can fly to Belize where she lives half the year. Even got him a first class ticket so he won't fly cargo. It is people like this tht restore my faith in humanity!!!, god bless them.

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    Your litter, your rules. There is no "standard" way of selling a litter. Personally, I take deposits, and I specifically place the pups in each family, based on what I deem to be the best fit for their lifestyle and needs; although I take into consideration what gender and color they want, ultimately my concern is to put the pup where it will do best. Ie, I'm not putting a dog with tons of drive in a home where some one wants a couch potato, regardless of what sex/color they wanted. If I truly have nothing for them, I'm happy to refund the deposit. I'm upfront about this policy from the first contact. Lots of people tell me that the way I place pups is unfair- that's fine by me, they are welcome to purchase from another breeder. Everyone has their own way of doing things, and you shouldn't feel bad about it! Kudos, again, for the amazing job you did with your litter.

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    I can assure you, most of us have revised our websites, or documents that we email folks in advance to cover ALL of this (how and when selections are made -- by me or at narrowed down, etc) many times over the years. I have had complete novice pet homes insist on knowing where they "were" on my list (pick order). They don't get it. I tell them I will honor specific color/sex requests but ask them how flexible they are in reality if a pup of the less preferred sex/color was a better match. Since I sell most of mine to competition or avid hunting homes, I have to prioritize w/ those first. I don't want to place my amped up pups w/ novice / pet homes if at all possible anyhow!

    Anyhow, I'd suggest putting all of this info into a document that you give prospective buyers along w/ the contract and terms. That way they can say yay or nay, and they can't argue w/ you later when it comes time to "picking" puppies. As said above, it's your litter and you can do as you want!

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    Quote Originally Posted by windycanyon View Post
    I can assure you, most of us have revised our websites, or documents that we email folks in advance to cover ALL of this (how and when selections are made -- by me or at narrowed down, etc) many times over the years. I have had complete novice pet homes insist on knowing where they "were" on my list (pick order). They don't get it. I tell them I will honor specific color/sex requests but ask them how flexible they are in reality if a pup of the less preferred sex/color was a better match. Since I sell most of mine to competition or avid hunting homes, I have to prioritize w/ those first. I don't want to place my amped up pups w/ novice / pet homes if at all possible anyhow!

    Anyhow, I'd suggest putting all of this info into a document that you give prospective buyers along w/ the contract and terms. That way they can say yay or nay, and they can't argue w/ you later when it comes time to "picking" puppies. As said above, it's your litter and you can do as you want!
    Please pm me copy of contract you use as this sounds like an excellent contract in covering ALL basis.

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    Very unfortunate people would treat you that way Whitelabs after all the effort you put into hand raising that litter !!!!!

    My litter of 8 just went to new homes over the weekend. It was a lot of work once again, and I had a loving healthy bitch that did more work than I taking care of her pups.
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    Sorry people treated you like that but you can't please everyone and you tried to do what you thought was right. I think you had the right mind set and the litters/owners best wishes at heart. Don't let bad/mean people get you down!

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    Hi, I need your email to send the info. Your PM box is full so I can't pm you.
    Otherwise, take a look at my Nursery page on my website which explains when picks etc are made (and at least puts this part writing so folks can't argue!) at www.windycanyonlabs.com Anne

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