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    Default What's your advice?

    Typically on here would be advice and reference to a programme from any source that is available to you. But If any of these programmes and tools at your disposal were not available , what would the advice be?....Now, you could get some smart ass come up with some crafty response that shoots down in flames how others approach things!! but that would be just rude! and after all, RTF is a family ! Isn't it?..So how would you help this fella out?

    http://www.gundogtrainingforum.co.uk...hp?f=6&t=17156

    ?????
    I have used Evan's experienced quote as an example of a helpful reply to someone recently 'State Side' !on another thread (Hope Evan doesn't mind) ,So you can appreciate that a response such as this would be 'lost' and inevitably be useless to the person This side of the pond.

    Good. That's how we learn. We're only asking these questions so we know what tools you have at your disposal. If your dog isn't handling pressure well that's a signal to you that you may want to question how "FF, CC, OB, etc" were accomplished. If the trainer of this dog was a Carr-based (Smartwork, TRT system) trainer it's much easier to relate to, so useful suggestions can more readily be offered.

    One thing I hope you come to understand, and it relates to all your dog's basic training, is that CC stands for e-collar conditioning. That means your dog should have been soundly and appropriately conditioned to e-stimulus as a form of pressure. That should have been done in a manner that resulted in your dog tolerating that pressure, understanding it, and reacting in predictable, stable ways. If that isn't happening it's a poor idea to go on. But that does not mean you can't proceed with an e-collar. It just means the conditioning will need to take place more thoroughly so you have the tools you'll need.


    Now, I personally am not against CC or FF or FTP ,Or pressure in all it's variations
    So if RTF is a family for all retriever trainers and owners how would you advise?
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    Without knowing a full history and details about the dog, there is no way to give good advice.

    If it is not too late, I put her on a check cord and go back to doing lots of fun marks. See if I can get her to love it more than not.

    And then when she can take pressure again, de-bolt.
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    My understanding of what's happening is the fella' was running some blinds and the dog bolts pehaps because of a collar correction.
    First of all- the thread offers no training history in terms of what fundamentals are in place, but one things' for sure-
    The dog doesn't understand collar pressure.

    Would also believe hasn't been properly pressure conditioned nor CC'd, if so, someone doesn't know how to use an E-collar properly, (considering there's no training material available to refer to).

    Would also believe that someone's trying to Push the dog back in a "straight" line before it's ever run the first lining wheel in training at all.
    Dunno'.
    Cart before the horse (?)
    Sounds like real mess.
    My advice would be, if there's no comprehensive training material available , (Collar training), I'd just leave the collar alone and train the dog.
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    Considering this appears to be Europe, I doubt it was due to collar pressure. Wonder what he did to create this....

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    You being a non collar advocate ,I could explain how we debolted dogs 40 yrs ago but then again I hate bringing those old skeletons out of the closet.Sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    Considering this appears to be Europe, I doubt it was due to collar pressure. Wonder what he did to create this....

    /Paul
    Thought that too intially Gundog, looks like I'm wrong about that.
    One poster on the UK thread mentioned " can't handle the pressure" and Polmaise mentioned this-

    Quote Originally Posted by polmaise View Post
    Typically on here would be advice and reference to a programme from any source that is available to you. But If any of these programmes and tools at your disposal were not available
    Thought there'd certainly be some Wildrose floatin' around across the pond.

    Guess the fact I've never had a non force dawg run 800yds. back to the truck because of a whistle SIT or a correction made me think it.
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    It would be useful to know exactly what sort of "correction" "pressure" methods have been used on this dog.
    No one over there likes to talk about it.
    I have a 14 year old labrador professionally trained in Ireland until she was 16 months old. I never raised a hand to this dog or really scolder her for anything what ever. Wonderful pleasant dog really. to this day, if i roll up a newspaper and swat a fly she will high tail it to another room. Never did find out what the heck they did to her over there.
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    Need more history of how the dog was trained????
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    No collars there , I believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridget Bodine View Post
    No collars there , I believe
    Don't believe so either, I stand corrected after re-reading again.

    Sure does make for me an 800yd. run back to the truck err,.. I mean motor, more of a bigger question.
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