I like the idea of very large fines for companies that hire illegals and criminal prosecution for the individuals that did the actual hiring. Dry up the money and you end the reason for them being here.
"Itís hard to win an argument with a smart person, but itís damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person." - Bill Murray
Maybe my ancestors made the mistake of not deporting your ancestors upon arrival. It would have solved a lot of problems and would have depleted the Republican vote in the process.
I don't want to feed an ugly dog!
Everyone's friend is No One's friend
Someday your life will flash before your eyes. It's your responsibility to make sure it's worth watching!
Actually, aren't we ALL immigrants. Even Native Americans came here from somewhere else
One characteristic of all previous immigrants was that they came here with no expectations except to work hard to improve their lives. They followed whatever laws were in place at the time. There was no safety net of any kind, except that, in some cases, they would be free of persecution they experienced in their own countries; and that there was an "opportunity" (not a guarantee) for improvement of their circumstances.
The present group of illegal immigrants are ostensibly coming for the same reasons as other immigrants, but they also realize they are breaking laws to do so, and do it anyhow. They also have found that they can take advantage of benefits they wouldn't have in their own countries. Even illegals get to use the emergency rooms at no charge. Do they have that in their home countries? Many anchor babies get born in US hospitals. Would they have that benefit in their home countries?
So, this group is not only coming to improve their opportunity for the fruits of hard work, they are also coming for "free things".
Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that as soon as these millions become legalized, we will not have people saying that it is cruel to deny them social welfare services?
"Know in your heart that all things are possible. We couldn't conceive of a miracle if none ever happened." -Libby Fudim
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[QUOTE=Marvin S;1120156]Are you claiming Mayflower rights ? My ancestors Legally came through Ellis Island & were welcomed with nothing except assimilate or starve.[/QUOTE
Since you essentialy challenged me, Marv, I have some Native American heritage traceable to four tribes. My European heritage goes back to 1635 on this continent. And that, Marvin, and a buck-50 might buy a regular cup of coffee.
My real point is that the attitude: I-have-mine-and-screw-you--among Republicans is just damn outright petty. So is the fear of new citizens voting Democrat. If the Republicans cannot win the favor of immigrants, maybe it is time they go to charm school. The Republicans are loosing that group because they offer nothing but obstruction and little in the way of customer service to that constituency.
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I don't want to feed an ugly dog!
Only today after training dogs, a friend of mine and I tried a new restraurant and had a late breakfast. THE FOOD WAS TERRIBLE. Neither of us will be back. WE FIRED THE COOK, THE WAITRESS, AND THE OWNER!!!!!! No "soft landing for any of them" WE FIRED THEM!!! All of them. Given your logic, we should go back and pay for poor service, and poor food. Maybe you think we feel we "have ours" and screw them! Well you are right. Their pie(service) is not worth buying.
I could care less if some one has millions of times more wealth than I, "Bill Gates?". He provided a service and product which I was willing to buy. I see in so many people envy and jealosy AND EXCUSES for someone having accumulated more than they have. I see them as just looking for an excuse as to why they have not accumulated as much as someone else. ALWAYS THE BAD BUY IS THE ONE THAT HAS MORE!!!!!! They think the bad guy should give them some since they have more. They just want a SOFT LANDING.
I have no doubt that had I not been so stupid I could have accumulated far more than I have. That in nobody's fault but mine. Actually I feel that I paid far too much stupid tax. Again NOBODY'S FAULT BUT MINE.
I tell my son to look for the reasons for others' failures(the tightend of New England Patriots now charged with murder?), and learn from them. Look for the reasons for others' success(again Bill Gates) and learn from them. That would be my advise.
Seal the border- 1,954 miles= 10.2 million feet.
Anyone put up a chain-link fence lately? I figure roughly $200 million for basic 9 gauge, 10 foot high fence, which really isn't much of a deterrant. Add to that about 35 million feet of razor wire To go atop of the chain link. Don't know what that costs, but I bet it isn't cheap.
Then add towers every 1000 feet and man them 24/7. Then, buy and maintain a huge fleet of all terrain vehicles to swap out shifts and perform motorized patrols. Add to that state of the art electronic surveillance systems that also must be maintained and operated/controlled by more personnel. By the way, the personnel? HSA employees, military, or both. Either way, we would have to pay them and provide benefits to them and their families.
We're talking MANY BILLIONS of dollars!
AND IT WOULDN'T WORK ANYWAY!
Greta had her allotment of fame during the 1st Gulf War. She should have quit while she was ahead..
A person has to be stupider than stupid if they think a chain link fence is going to keep some one out or any kind of fence for that matter.
As far as citizenship is concerned,,,where have you guys been. THEY DON"T WANT IT they loose all their hand outs if they become citizens AND then they have to pay taxes.
You guys are behind the curve. WAke up
This is insane.
Last edited by Pete; 06-27-2013 at 06:50 AM.
I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical . it is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government