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    I use my dog solely for hunting...no trials or tests....if she retrieves everything to hand is ff really necessary? I've taught her hold and just loved her up in the beginning when shed carry a bird to heel. my friends say I have to ff her but I know she won't like it and I don't want to screw up a good thing.

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    If you don't want to do it ...don't ...There is a lot of dogs that aren't that make good hunting dogs...With that said there will probably come a time when the dog will refuse to work for you...This is the part of training that gives you the tools to make that more unlikely to happen..."I know she will not like it" That is your job..to make her like it..as in the whole training process it is your job to keep her attitude up...We all have to do things in this world we don't want or like to do but we have to anyway...You sound like the dog is going to be the one in control not you..There is a lot of confusion around the FF process when it comes to how brutal it is ..It doesn't have to be that traumatic on the dog ....Steve S
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    Replace the word Install rather than Force in the programme - It worked for me - to get my head around it?
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    "A trained dog is a trained dog" "If I never ran another test or trial and just wanted a hunting dog, I'd train them the same way" - Danny Farmer

    I pretty much feel the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    "A trained dog is a trained dog" "If I never ran another test or trial and just wanted a hunting dog, I'd train them the same way" - Danny Farmer

    I pretty much feel the same way.

    /Paul
    I agree 100%.

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    A trained is a trained dog' If I just wanted a dog for competition I would train it for competition and train it the same way- My Grandfather.
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    Force Fetch has more to do with teaching a dog to comply with your commands when the "going gets tough" than it does with fetching or delivery to hand.
    Easier to follow the tried and true training flow than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerdutch View Post
    I use my dog solely for hunting...no trials or tests....if she retrieves everything to hand is ff really necessary? I've taught her hold and just loved her up in the beginning when shed carry a bird to heel. my friends say I have to ff her but I know she won't like it and I don't want to screw up a good thing.
    An often overlooked aspect of FF is the praise involved. A lot people focus in on the word "force." Praise for the right behavior cannot be forgotten. To quote John and Amy Dahl
    The third key is the dog's attitude. As Mike Lardy says, "there is no attitude drill." The only way to develop an eager, happy retriever is to maintain the dog's trust and enthusiasm throughout its training, including force-fetching. This is the most demanding phase of training the dog has yet faced--don't make it a miserable grind. We want to teach a productive and confident response to training pressure.
    /Paul
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    “A properly forced dog shouldn’t look forced” - Jim Kappes

    Nobody says it better ......
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsZpdHal4Oo

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    Mike Lardy and every other successful handler/trainer for competition would agree their FF programme ! So would I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerdutch View Post
    I use my dog solely for hunting...no trials or tests....if she retrieves everything to hand is ff really necessary? I've taught her hold and just loved her up in the beginning when shed carry a bird to heel. my friends say I have to ff her but I know she won't like it and I don't want to screw up a good thing.
    So why ,is there continuous relation to competition on here?....If the OP has a dog that is performing what he wants it to do and is happy with that, what's the debate?..
    Carry on retrieving ! and hunting with yer Dog.
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