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    Default First Golden Retriever Bench Champion

    I found this photo on Facebook. For those who have stated that today's field Goldens more resemble the original "ideal", this photo is enlightening


    http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=2873
    This dog looks like he could physically handle today's field testing. Notice the length of leg and rear pasterns. Solid topline, nice neck-to-back transition. Moderate substance. Nice feet. No exaggeration in any feature. I do notice that the depth of chest does not reach down to the elbows, as is stated in our Standard today.
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    Looks much like my avatar. Nice looking dog and he certainly looks like he can do field work.
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    Hi Gerry:

    There will be mention of Noranby Campfire in the Sept/Oct 2013 issue of the GRNews in an article done by Bill Feeney which I found in an old GRNews -- from the Archives. Also an article by the owner of Noranby Rowdy. In the September-October 2012 issue, Marcia Schlehr did an excellent article about Mrs. Charlesworth and the Noranby dogs. There is another photo of Campfire at nine years of age. He looks like he could still run a trial---also, his chest looked a little deeper with more maturity.

    Thanks for finding this and putting this out there for us to see.

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    To coin a phrase: "That dog will hunt."

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    Nice looking dog, what happened????

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    Sometime someone forgot, "Pretty is as pretty does" and began breeding them to be fluffy instead of working retrievers. It is nearly as bad with the Labs. I would have to chuckle when someone would bring their "show dog" to a hunt test to show that they could play the game too. I would be out in a blind and though not in all cases, but most, you would hear the show dog huffing, puffing and wheezing to run a 100 yard mark.
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    Looks like our current field dogs that we see today. Beautiful dog.

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    My heart absolutely breaks for what has been done to this breed. Thankful my three golds more closely resemble the dog in the photo than what is more common now.

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    It is pretty remarkable that the almost identical transition took place in both the UK and the US/Canada during the same periods. Campfire appears in many of the pedigrees of our first North American Goldens. He also appears in the pedigree of Speedwell Pluto, who is very much the basis for almost all Goldens in NA.

    This photo of Pluto doesn't show his whole body, but I've seen photos of his body, and they closely resemble Campfire.



    An Am CH from the mid-50s begins to show some minor change, but still retains the basic shape
    Wessala Pride of Golden Pine http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=1159



    As late as the mid-70s you could still see the basic shape in this CH



    But also in the mid-70s some subtle changes were takinig place in show dogs, as this dog shows more substance. I also notice the shorter rear pasterns and the more definitive stifle angulation. The forechest is more pronounced. There seems to be more rounding in the skull. The feathering on the front legs is increased. This dog's birthdate was 1973.



    Maybe other people notice some other things?

    Then, here is a dog whelped in 2004. If you take off some of the coat and pounds, you can still see the basic shape. After going through a phase of quite short legs, the length of leg has re-appeared.


    One thing is obvious, Noranby Campfire was born in 1912 (!!). It took 60 years for the changes that took place between him and the dog born in 1973. We are now 40 years beyond this last dog shown. That's 100 years! This kind of "evolution" does not happen quickly.

    I don't know any of these dogs personally ... I just followed pedigrees to find dogs of certain decades to see if trends could be followed.
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    That is interesting to look at Gerry. Thanks for posting the photos through the years.
    I really like the photo of Pluto.
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