Breeding for "conformation" effs everything up.
That's what needs to be taken from this.
OUR ideas of "conformation" are hopelessly, and irreparably flawed.
What works in the field, is simply what WORKS in the field. As long as there is a difference between the bench and the field, a breed split is the inevitable outcome. The only other option, is mediocrity in both venues.
Pick a venue and excel in it. That's what Labs did.
And they picked the one that mattered.
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Gotta disagree with you here, in my humble and often wrong opinion.
Breeding strictly to win is what effs everything up. Doesn't matter which venue you are trying to win.
"Conformation" means the dog conforms to the breed standard. Don't see how breeding to conform to the standard could possibly eff everything up. It's when people breed to only select parts of the standard, ignoring the other parts, that we have issues. For example, the Golden standard reads, "primarily a hunting dog...." (often ignored), also says, "Coat -- Dense and water repellent with good undercoat. Outer coat firm and resilient, neither coarse nor silky, lying close to body; may be straight or wavy...." (often ignored)...and so on.
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While it's been a long, dry spell for both breeds since the last Dual CH, perhaps not all is lost when there are still people who care about bridging the gap ... and producing dogs who are capable of doing so.
I think most of the dogs (in Goldens) who achieve the field and show titles are a more moderate version of the show ring population. They may also be a rung lower on the ladder of field achievement of the top field trial competitors ... but isn't it Ted Shih who often says "The perfect is the enemy of the good,"?
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I agree with you 100%. I don't want to hijack your thread, but this is a good time to comment about "understanding each other a littler better". I'm with the Dallas GR club, host of this year's National. Glenda has been very helpful to us in setting up something special for the Field Trial that has not happened in a long, long time.
My club extended the invitation to the 3 Conformation judges at the National (Best of Breed, Dogs and Bitches) to attend the first day of the Field Trial with an experienced Field Trial mentor as their "guide". Two of the three have accepted and will be there. We are also extending this invitation to the those judges attending the Judges Education Seminar at the National. I won't know until about a month before the National how many of them are interested in coming. We hope all of you who are competing that day will make them feel welcome. I think that it is a fitting event for this 75th anniversary of the GRCA.
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