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Thread: Answer from AKC on votes to eliminate layout blinds.

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    Tim West -

    I would like to send you a message re LOB project - please clear out your PM's-
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    Not enough "Common Sense" in the dog world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat II View Post
    Layout blinds can still be used in AKC Hunt Test. I was told that by Mr. Jerry Mann himself or at least it came from his email address.
    If this is true (and I hope it is because it makes sense), it makes a mockery of the RAC's pushing of the issue to remove them from use in FTs. Why would a HT worker/dog be any less at risk than a FT dog/worker when the layout blind is in use?

    The irrational loathing of these blinds is punitive to the folks who really could benefit from the use of them.
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    It's pretty funny there was an argument to a dogs safety. Obviously, whomever made the statement a LOB was dangerous to a dog has never seen nor used one. They are 100% wrapped in nylon with a very light tubular frame. There are no holes for a dogs leg to get into and if a dog did happen to run into/over it, they are actually sort of soft like a trampoline. If you ban a LOB then, all FT's should also ban running a dog over a log in the field. Logs are hard and do not give when dogs run into them because they can't see them on the ground.....lol... so silly.

    Hot conditions are hot conditions. I'm thinking if we ban a LOB because it's too hot out, we should ban a live flier station because they must sit in the direct sun with no shade all day too? you can leave a flap of a LOB open and still be covered and have shade. I don't think being a gunner at a live flier station gives you that luxury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Kiefer View Post
    Not enough "Common Sense" in the dog world
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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat II View Post
    Layout blinds can still be used in AKC Hunt Test. I was told that by Mr. Jerry Mann himself or at least it came from his email address.
    Thanks for correcting my assumption that was AKC test/trial-wide. I'm definitely bringing a chair from now on, just in case!
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    I just did Bill. Sorry about that.

    I am probably the first judge that actually used a "layout blind" to hide a gunner, as we use them extensively in my guide business. I took several up to Strong City Kansas at the Topeka trial where it's full-on prairie and the only tree is in a draw, and there aren't too many of them. It absolutely changed the game in setting marks there. I have used layout blinds effectively, and with great effect. COMMON SENSE DICTATES THEIR USE!

    I know that many stories are out there about kids getting hurt and dogs getting hurt, but I think most of them were hearsay. "I heard" that a dog got hurt or Didn't a bird boy get hurt with those things?

    I judged at the Prison in Alabama a few years ago and asked the FT committee if they had layout blinds available. They told me they were outlawed, so they didn't have them. I told the FT Chairman that they indeed were not, and that I would be checking one as baggage and bringing one along! It saved the day setting up a key bird in an open field and even though it was hot, we rotated the gunners out of it with no issues whatsover. Common sense!

    As one of the judges in the Midwest that are constantly faced with lack of cover to hide throwers, we will figure out ways to hide people in the field. I have a design already in mind......
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    I think the real issue is allowing judges to use ingenuity as the rules suggest and then trusting them to do it safely. Of course the FTC needs to insure that in fact it is safe. Legislation to eliminate a certain tool might be more of a choice vice a necessity. I still am skeptical of how many voted for versus how many voted against the proposal. But then again, I still scratch my head and shrug my shoulder when thinking about the last Presidential election outcome. HPW
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    If this is true (and I hope it is because it makes sense), it makes a mockery of the RAC's pushing of the issue to remove them from use in FTs. Why would a HT worker/dog be any less at risk than a FT dog/worker when the layout blind is in use?

    The irrational loathing of these blinds is punitive to the folks who really could benefit from the use of them.
    Bill,

    I have not seen LO blinds used up here in HT's in the field for gunners, but rather on the line with a handler in it and the dog on a remote sit outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    Bill,

    I have not seen LO blinds used up here in HT's in the field for gunners, but rather on the line with a handler in it and the dog on a remote sit outside.
    Exactly... And neither have the majority of the folks who voted against the use of them. In most of the east, there would be no reason to put a thrower in one. Whole different ballgame out west.
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