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    I’m not familiar with but I have often seen reference to the term “BIG WATER” in the forums and was wondering if anyone can explain what they mean by it and how and for what purpose you use it in training.
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    Its water that when you look out, you don't see land very close.... the ultimate would be the ocean, but any big body of water where land appears far away.

    Some dogs do not like swimming out into the great unknown when first faced with a retrieve on big water.

    Big water can also provide factors like big waves, swells, chop, and other water issues that make retrieving difficult to an inexperienced dog.
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    A piece of water where swims of 200 yds or more with factors would be my definition of Big Water. Big swims build courage in a dog and teach them to fight factors.
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    It's all relative! Here in the desert I have found a great pond that is a little over 200 yards long and 60 wide. This is truly "big water" for here! I think big water is very different in the meanings of tester/trialers and hunters who regularly hunt the oceans and sounds, including the Chesapeake.
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    Google a map of Michigan and then expand it to include all of the great lakes. That is big FRESH water. Saginaw Bay has a straight line shore of 105 miles or so. That is one of the spots we Michiganders love to hunt and train. I was told once the bottom of Saginaw Bay is lined with remote transmitters....BSEG!
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrax View Post
    I’m not familiar with but I have often seen reference to the term “BIG WATER” in the forums and was wondering if anyone can explain what they mean by it and how and for what purpose you use it in training.
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    Is that a training scenario? It gives me some great ideas. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacduck View Post
    Is that a training scenario? It gives me some great ideas. Thanks.
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    Thanks for the replies.
    I often take my pup to the shore of Lake Ontario near home and send her out after a ball that I throw as far as I can with a chuckit and there are often big swells present so I guess she goes out into big water and loves it.
    On the other hand I send her across our small cottage lake 500-600 yds for a retrieve that I have canoed over to throw. Since she is going to the other side with a destination and it is near land, probably 30-40yds off, is this considered big water or just a big swim?

    Now for the other part of my original post "how and for what purpose do you use it in training".

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrax View Post
    Thanks for the replies.
    I often take my pup to the shore of Lake Ontario near home and send her out after a ball that I throw as far as I can with a chuckit and there are often big swells present so I guess she goes out into big water and loves it.
    On the other hand I send her across our small cottage lake 500-600 yds for a retrieve that I have canoed over to throw. Since she is going to the other side with a destination and it is near land, probably 30-40yds off, is this considered big water or just a big swim?

    Now for the other part of my original post "how and for what purpose do you use it in training".
    What is termed an out to sea blind where a dog is faced with an extremely long or to the dog it looks like to the horizon after crossing a small piece of land on a water blind...it is all about courage ....Most rat trap blinds fall into this type of category...Steve S
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