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    my five month old bm seems to prefer a sloppy sit - especially when working on hold - I'm wondering if he's hot and just being tired/lazy - how important is it to correct? In FowlDogs the trainer just reaches down and tightens it up - when he is waiting for me or my helper to throw a mark it is not a as sloppy of a sit as he is ready to burst out after the dummy. Thanks for any input.

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    What do you mean by sloppy sit? Is it a lazy sit where he rolls over on one hip? Or not aligned with your body? Or a very slow sit? A picture or video would be helpful.
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    I think you need to work on these as two separate items. During FF I would not be correcting for a sloppy sit. Work on sit as part of OB outside of FF. Heeling drills, lining drills etc can be done as a separate session. Anytime he doesn't sit straight, move a bit forward to reposition the dog and command sit. If he flops over again, you can pull up on the collar and lightly tap the foot, use a heeling stick etc. Its good to build these habits early but I wouldn't get harsh on this. Teach him that sitting straight is what is desired. Keep him focused.

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    you got good advice from /paul. i hope you answer the request for more info from wayne, it could help wayne and others offer more training advice.

    i would add that you should also examine his gait in a run, trot and walk very closely. if the dog is moving well and typical for his breed, keep your concentration on his training. if he is "bunny hopping" or his movements are "different" than typical for the breed and his sloppiness persists with more training focus, you may want to do an exam on his hips. this is not said to cause worry or alarm. just something to watch for in training any young dog!
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    Quote Originally Posted by walt8@cox.net View Post
    I wouldn't for a sloppy sit, but would you correct for a dog breaking his sit? I'm talking about the beginning stage of FF, while the bumper is inches from their mouth, with no need to move forward to grab the bumper.
    At the beginning of FF I would have more control of the dog, utilizing a table or sitting in a chair. I believe you have to focus on the purpose of the session. If its a FF lesson, any corrections should be toward that lesson. I wouldn't be correcting for "breaking sit" since there is a good chance it could be confused with the fetch/hold commands.

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    Great points Paul. Focus on the task at hand. Good stuff.
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    Take the dog to obedience class. Sloppy sits can be corrected with good praise and yes treats at the proper time. Now some of the judges on the forum don't agree with my training methods. They are Janice Gunn training methods I learned by getting her video's. She has some great ones for Basic Novice for Companion Dog training. I take out my rally signs several times a week, agility, and do hunt training. Small 15 minute sessions for exercise. I learned the same techniques at training classes here in Mass. I guess I am lucky to have such nice training partners for the ring and field. Let me find a nice video for you to watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao1tjI5rcGE

    Of course we attend formal training for 3 minute stays and things like that... With summer now we just do it hardware store like Ace hardware and Petco are good places. You can take the dogs to park and use a long lead. Just simple things go a long way so you can hold a honor at a hunt test. Of course my dogs will never go that far because they are too old at this time for any upper titles. We just train for fun.

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    Don't forget to take your dogs to the bank. Another nice place for the dogs to learn stays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by featherqwest View Post
    Don't forget to take your dogs to the bank. Another nice place for the dogs to learn stays.
    Stupid question. Is that the bank at the side of a hill or the bank where my money is????
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