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Thread: Is It Possible For An Amateur To Compete against Pros In Hunt Tests?

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    It's all a sign of the times. Revisit the early years where there were 10 or 15 dogs in a Master mostly trained by amateurs, sometimes a pass rate of only half dozen dogs. Two kinds of people ran AKC hunt tests, those who were disgruntled with field trials or those like myself field trialers who"dabbled" in hunt tests as a nice diversion from trials.
    Then came the Master National in 1991 preceded were two Master Invitations in 1990 maybe more? Going by memory and I am old, testing the waters for interest. The AKC took off more then anyone realized, even some of the founders were surprised. Money was to be made with training and handlernfees. Many, many pros, some who were field trial pros jumped in. My fondest memory were a couple watching or peeking from behind a vehicle while theirPro ran their junior dog!
    I said to myself geeze what's wrong with this picture 65 bucks handler fee to run a dog in a junior, plus the monthly training fees of 400 or 500 plus a months plus birds! Then the breeders got involved tacking titles behind their dogs, more money. AKC loved it more money. To this date where pros dominate all levels of the game, especially at the Master level 700,800 to infinity to qualify for the Master National, " I am surprised there isn't a Junior National" ,not speaking the Canadian version of the derby either. More and More money. Now people are buying their way into the hunt test game as many do in the field trial game. They buy multiple dogs, thousands of dollars in training and handler fees. More pros, everyone is a pro, title one junior dog become a pro, hang your shingle up, more money. Folks it ain't gonna stop get used to it , the money flows, the monster was created, and the future well, more Nationals, regional nationals, amateur nationals, more money. One man's opinion on the limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Dogs View Post
    As to "sitting in front of a computer" all day every day, out east here we have these things called "smart-phones" and "i-pads" and such. Makes it easy to stay in contact with important stuff. And if a handler - pro or not - has all of his/her dogs listed on EE it's 1 click per dog to enter. So entering 10 dogs might take a second longer than a single dog.
    Sorry you did not get to enter the test you wanted to but not every chance occurrence is the result of some nefarious conspiracy. Maybe next time you could volunteer to be HT Sec'y. Then you'd have no trouble entering on time.
    Ahem....yes I do have a smart phone but like some others who run dogs and happen to live in a rural area, there is no reception in most of the county that I live in. As in.... I not only can't make calls, I cannot connect to the internet, either. I certainly would have no way of connecting or checking Entry Express hourly.
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    I mentioned this before, and no one commented, but in agility the clubs are allowed to reserve a certain number of spots for workers. Why not in HT? It's not that hard to do. EE could set it to close at, for example, 50 instead of 60, and then over-ride it for the 10 workers. Of course, people also have to sign up to work in order to get a worker's spot. But there's never a shortage of workers, because they are guaranteed a running spot.

    oh, and Julie, I live in a similar area, and I don't have a smart phone. So I couldn't check hourly, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie R. View Post
    Ahem....yes I do have a smart phone but like some others who run dogs and happen to live in a rural area, there is no reception in most of the county that I live in. As in.... I not only can't make calls, I cannot connect to the internet, either. I certainly would have no way of connecting or checking Entry Express hourly.

    I don't think Bob was saying everyone, but I would bet you are in the minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Criquetpas View Post
    It's all a sign of the times. Revisit the early years where there were 10 or 15 dogs in a Master mostly trained by amateurs, sometimes a pass rate of only half dozen dogs. Two kinds of people ran AKC hunt tests, those who were disgruntled with field trials or those like myself field trialers who"dabbled" in hunt tests as a nice diversion from trials.
    Then came the Master National in 1991 preceded were two Master Invitations in 1990 maybe more? Going by memory and I am old, testing the waters for interest. The AKC took off more then anyone realized, even some of the founders were surprised. Money was to be made with training and handlernfees. Many, many pros, some who were field trial pros jumped in. My fondest memory were a couple watching or peeking from behind a vehicle while theirPro ran their junior dog!
    I said to myself geeze what's wrong with this picture 65 bucks handler fee to run a dog in a junior, plus the monthly training fees of 400 or 500 plus a months plus birds! Then the breeders got involved tacking titles behind their dogs, more money. AKC loved it more money. To this date where pros dominate all levels of the game, especially at the Master level 700,800 to infinity to qualify for the Master National, " I am surprised there isn't a Junior National" ,not speaking the Canadian version of the derby either. More and More money. Now people are buying their way into the hunt test game as many do in the field trial game. They buy multiple dogs, thousands of dollars in training and handler fees. More pros, everyone is a pro, title one junior dog become a pro, hang your shingle up, more money. Folks it ain't gonna stop get used to it , the money flows, the monster was created, and the future well, more Nationals, regional nationals, amateur nationals, more money. One man's opinion on the limits.

    Here here! Mr. Dillow you have phrased this very well and I am so glad it came from someone of your reputation and experience! I believe that professionalization of a sport or game is the eventual ruination of it for most who do it for fun or love. Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc, etc, ad nauseum are no longer sports, they are entertainment business. That is fine as obviously millions enjoy that. I have only respect for the pros that train good dogs with such dedication and skill. I would certainly not be able to play if it were not for the pros that have helped me over the years. And no pro is to blame for my mistakes. My issue is the group of amateurs unwilling to do the learning or work involved and who turn it all over to the pros. For them it's easier to spend the money than the time or effort. And guess who is talking loudest in the gallery and helping the least?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2tall View Post
    Here here! Mr. Dillow you have phrased this very well and I am so glad it came from someone of your reputation and experience! I believe that professionalization of a sport or game is the eventual ruination of it for most who do it for fun or love. Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc, etc, ad nauseum are no longer sports, they are entertainment business. That is fine as obviously millions enjoy that. I have only respect for the pros that train good dogs with such dedication and skill. I would certainly not be able to play if it were not for the pros that have helped me over the years. And no pro is to blame for my mistakes. My issue is the group of amateurs unwilling to do the learning or work involved and who turn it all over to the pros. For them it's easier to spend the money than the time or effort. And guess who is talking loudest in the gallery and helping the least?

    Eh, no. You can have all the non pro sports you want, but I want to see the biggest, fastest, strongest player do their thing. Same is kind of true of dogs. Where would we be without the Lardy's, Carr's et al of the dog world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbullgator View Post
    Eh, no. You can have all the non pro sports you want, but I want to see the biggest, fastest, strongest player do their thing. Same is kind of true of dogs. Where would we be without the Lardy's, Carr's et al of the dog world.
    Sorry Corey, college BB over NBA all day long... Football is gaining on them. Rather watch someone who really wants to be there.
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    Not me. I love college football but that is all that is on Saturday, give me pros any day. Heck I don't even like amateur porn over the pros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbullgator View Post
    Eh, no. You can have all the non pro sports you want, but I want to see the biggest, fastest, strongest player do their thing. Same is kind of true of dogs. Where would we be without the Lardy's, Carr's et al of the dog world.
    I agree my post was my opinion on where the destination of AKC hunt tests were headed not on whether I agree or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbullgator View Post
    Heck I don't even like amateur porn over the pros.
    When is the draft to turn the ams into pros? How do they determine order of picks? Don't think I have ever seen it broadcast on ESPN.
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