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Thread: Is It Possible For An Amateur To Compete against Pros In Hunt Tests?

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    BBG beat me to it-

    Profit/making money put aside, if you have a large local MH group running for MN qualification, don't you think it would be of a service to your club members to offer up a MH test shortly before they head out to the MN or, in case they need another pass they won't have to drive 500 miles to the nearest test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    That's typically true. Until you only have 30 JH dogs and 90+ MH level dogs. How exactly is holding a double JH with 30 dogs going to come out ahead?
    Because you don't have double judge expense, or another way to look at it is that you have already paid the judges expenses on Saturday. You just have the jr & sr judges swap out on Sunday. While adding master flights you also have to add judges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbullgator View Post
    Then again that depends on entries. In the last few years we have had an average of about 10 senior entries and maybe 17 junior while master was full for the most part. Bringing in judges for 10 senior dogs doesn't help the bottom line. The new rules regarding judges also does not help clubs in this situation.
    Then have a double jr & sr - you've already paid for the judges..........we've always had margin on a double jr/sr with as few as 15 dogs. And, BTW, you will attract more jr/sr entrants with a double jr/sr. And you need to have an outlet for newcomers to come in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granddaddy View Post
    Then have a double jr & sr - you've already paid for the judges..........we've always had margin on a double jr/sr with as few as 15 dogs. And, BTW, you will attract more jr/sr entrants with a double jr/sr. And you need to have an outlet for newcomers to come in...
    Good thoughts but would still argue with many clubs the land, water, worker is the resource issue dealt with. As is the 'banquet or tail gate' anticipation which is nice for the 'general entrants' at a hunt test but likley not important to MN qualification seekers.

    A club workforce dedicated to the sole purpose of revenue is far different than the 'typical' hunt test. While margins are smaller on Master, so too would be the cost associated with a test, by design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    Sometimes, to arrive at an answer to a problem one needs to ask some questions;

    1. WHAT IF- the MNRC developed their own, seperate standard for the dogs meet in order to get a Plate?

    2. WHAT IF- qualifying to go to the MN did NOT require ANY number of weekend passes?

    3. WHAT IF- there were 4 regional qualifying tests, one in each region, judged to the proposed new MN standard and ALL MH titled dogs could enter up to all 4 if they needed to in order to pass one?

    I believe these changes would solve a lot of the problems being experienced by a significant number of clubs at the weekend tests.

    I believe these changes would significantly reduce the number of dogs qualified to run the MN. They would also raise the bar for those who pass the MN, making it even more prestigious. They would make the MNH title something that significantly fewer dogs
    would attain, enhancing the prestige related to the accomplishment significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granddaddy View Post
    Then have a double jr & sr - you've already paid for the judges..........we've always had margin on a double jr/sr with as few as 15 dogs. And, BTW, you will attract more jr/sr entrants with a double jr/sr.
    We always have a double. Still not much margin in it. With he new judge requirements it gets even harder. Can't have the same judges judge the same flight two days. And finding jr/sr flip judges has become more difficult. Being that we are as far south as clubs get, the cost of judges run us about $350-400 regardless of one day or two. A flight of 10 seniors @ $75 each covers only the cost of the judges and nothing towards birds, help, poppers..... Toss in 35 birds @ $10-13 each, and $300 each day for bird boys and that 10 dog senior ends up costing you money. You might make a little on juniors but at best the two break even when all is said and done.
    On a 60 dog master flight at $80 we end up with about a$1000 "profit". If it were not for our raffle we wound have lost money at several events. The raffle brings in anywhere from $300-800 dollars depending on the generosity of kind folks like Dogs Afield, TT, Purina, Gunners Up, and others as well as donations from club members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HNTFSH View Post
    Good thoughts but would still argue with many clubs the land, water, worker is the resource issue dealt with. As is the 'banquet or tail gate' anticipation which is nice for the 'general entrants' at a hunt test but likley not important to MN qualification seekers.

    A club workforce dedicated to the sole purpose of revenue is far different than the 'typical' hunt test. While margins are smaller on Master, so too would be the cost associated with a test, by design.
    Or when its pretty clear that a club will have an abundance of riches, milk it for all its worth? 150/entrant for master, only one junior no senior, all club workers, all club judgess, special raffle prizes, accept doantions, "all proceeds to special fund for land purchase.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    Paul you're gonna piss off the good old boys in the club if you keep spewing these radical ideas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvalab View Post
    Or when its pretty clear that a club will have an abundance of riches, milk it for all its worth? 150/entrant for master, only one junior no senior, all club workers, all club judgess, special raffle prizes, accept doantions, "all proceeds to special fund for land purchase.

    i'm sort of kidding, sort of serious.
    Pretty much!!!

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