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Thread: Is It Possible For An Amateur To Compete against Pros In Hunt Tests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMay View Post
    I think those people that are trying to get a Master title on their dog(s) should look into running their dogs at a "Non Master National Member" club. I know they a few here and there and a Master National running pro will usually stay away from entering at those club events. You may have to travel a bit further, but you're more than welcomed to enter at their events. They seldom, if ever, have the need to split their entries. Just food for thought>>>>>>
    It's a good idea in theory but, many people (myself included) really like to enter their local events. And if those happen to be MN clubs with limited entries and you find yourself in a situation like the OP described, it's kind of a slap in the face (and wallet) to find another test that might be an 8 - 10 hr. drive away, MN member or not, just to run your dog, because certain people had insider info. on date/time an event opened that you weren't privy to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie R. View Post
    It's a good idea in theory but, many people (myself included) really like to enter their local events. And if those happen to be MN clubs with limited entries and you find yourself in a situation like the OP described, it's kind of a slap in the face (and wallet) to find another test that might be an 8 - 10 hr. drive away, MN member or not, just to run your dog, because certain people had insider info. on date/time an event opened that you weren't privy to.
    Not suggesting it's not disappointing but doesn't this issue transfer across different regions of the country each year and only at certain times of the test year, like just ahead of the MN in the region?
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    It sounds like the amateurs who run and financially support hunt tests have lost control of their sport to professional trainers who depend on amateurs for their livelihood.

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    Regrettably Ed, I think all the dog games are headed in that direction.
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    if everyone had to snail mail the check and enter old school and we did the random draw out of a salad bowl on the test secs kitchen table none of this would be an issue. This is all Shayne's fault! Pesky little ferret changed the sport, he did.
    And we all went Woo Hoo this is great! Well?????????????????????????????? hows it working out? Nobody saw this comming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    It sounds like the amateurs who run and financially support hunt tests have lost control of their sport to professional trainers who depend on amateurs for their livelihood.

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    I agree, watched at least a dozen "owners" last weekend come forward to collect the ribbon there dog and "pro" earned for them, and can't recall any of them stepping forward to help out either, guess it's more fun to sit in a chair and watch your dog and collect a ribbon at the end of the day than participate, I can see if you want your dog to run the MN and you don't have the time or finances to do it your self then fine send the dog with someone to run it but the weekend hunt tests are a different story, run the dog yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Spann View Post
    Think I will play elsewhere until AKC gets this straightened out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    if everyone had to snail mail the check and enter old school and we did the random draw out of a salad bowl on the test secs kitchen table none of this would be an issue. This is all Shayne's fault! Pesky little ferret changed the sport, he did.
    And we all went Woo Hoo this is great! Well?????????????????????????????? hows it working out? Nobody saw this comming?
    Good point....

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    So if there's a Master HT that is limited to 90 dogs and there are 120 dogs that want to run, there will be 30 who are SOL, right?

    How do any of the "solutions" offered remedy that situation? Limit number of dogs per handler, eliminate pros, eliminate EE,. etc ... there will still be 30 dogs that get shut out.

    Just a matter of which ones.

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    I've spent an hour reading and my own two-dog self is thinking, this is really, really bad. I didn't see this coming. I am a little bit afraid I might have voted for it somehow? Seemed like a good idea at the time...

    Trying to think of solutions:

    * OWNER must enter, not handler (nor handler's assistant--hard to monitor--but 20 entries coming from the same IP might be a tip-off to abusers?)
    * Date and time of opening for entries must be published at least (one month?) in advance.
    * Wait list, in order of entry.
    * Scratches for injury, death, and in-season only; must be sent by the vet to EE and refund must come through Ee.

    That's all I've got.

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