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    It is hereditary and these dogs should not be bred because the retained testicle will become cancerous. There are many other problems related to this condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwk56 View Post
    It is hereditary and these dogs should not be bred
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    It is PRESUMED to be hereditary unless I am not privy to the completion of a definitive DNA study.

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    I just completed an on-line course from the U. of MN on canine reproduction. Dr. Root stated that it is inherited and that these dogs should be neutered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    Testicles may not drop for up to 6-8 months. How could either vet know what would happen? I've been in similar situations having owned or trained dogs with this condition and in my experience most breeders don't allow for this in their contracts. Really sucks if the plan was to breed. Don't know who you were dealing with but I'm pretty familiar with most the retriever folks in Oregon.

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    Paul, My point was that our breeders vet should have notified them and they should have notified us before shipping the dog to us. Having a vet check up is required by the airlines prior to shipping, so either they have an idiot for a vet or they were dishonest, either way, it was done poorly! Also to all concerned we did have this dog neutered, he has been a good dog, not a great dog....but based on the way this was handled, we over paid for this dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Paul, My point was that our breeders vet should have notified them and they should have notified us before shipping the dog to us.
    Perhaps you haven't read the rest of the thread. The breeder's vet apparently did check your puppy and found no problem. Young puppies have a bit of a tendency to "hide" one or both when stressed. An airline flight would be a good example of this. IOW, just because your vet found but one, doesn't mean that the breeder's vet didn't find two or that he was unethical or didn't examine the dog. You assumed too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwk56 View Post
    It is hereditary and these dogs should not be bred because the retained testicle will become cancerous.

    Meredith
    I believe that Dr. Root choose her words very carefully. She did say that under normal circumstances a cryptorchid puppy should be neutered. However, she did not say that a cryptorchid puppy will get cancer or that cryptorchidism was definitely genetic in nature. Probably yes, definitely no. I just checked her book. See page 291.
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    Thanks. She did say the retained testicle should be removed because it will be come cancerous. She also stated that it is best to neuter these dogs.

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    Specifically to Swampcollie lover, I concur with Eric about one testicle possibly hiding, going back up. I had heard it described before, read about it and then witnessed it. Male pup 7 weeks both testicles down, same male pup 9 weeks can only find one now. This was the same Vet. He says that he knows that he felt it at 7, it will probably come back down in a couple of weeks. We think that we start feeling it at 11 weeks, we go in at 12 weeks, Vet(same Vet) confirms it is down.
    I know that this was not the original question, but since this had been brought up I thought that I would add pertinent info.
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    I don't know when swampcollie lover picked up his pup, but I wouldn't think a vet would draw any conclusion or even be alarmed if a testicle was missing at seven weeks. I just picked a seven week old pup out of the litter a year ago. He was so small I didn't feel either testicle, after a week at home one wbecame apparent but it took another month for the other to appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Paul, My point was that our breeders vet should have notified them and they should have notified us before shipping the dog to us. Having a vet check up is required by the airlines prior to shipping, so either they have an idiot for a vet or they were dishonest, either way, it was done poorly! Also to all concerned we did have this dog neutered, he has been a good dog, not a great dog....but based on the way this was handled, we over paid for this dog.
    Notified them of what? It was a puppy. You seem to be missing the point about when nuts can drop.

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