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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    I guess we don't all train the same way
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    No, I have not intentionally created no gos in training. Not even sure how I would do that if I wanted to. As I stated, she has not had a problem with no gos in training and since her first Masters Hunt Test two years ago, she has never had no problems in hunt tests until out of the blue she had no gos in two MH test, on Q on one weekend and then again a no go in a MH test 4 weeks later.

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    "..she had no gos in two MH test, on Q on one weekend and then again a no go in a MH test 4 weeks later."
    So what is going on at a test/trial that's locking her up? Dogs are incredibly astute at reading our vibes. With all due respect to the "force her to do it" folks it sure sounds to me that your gal is just afraid of the blind and a test situation just ramps up both of your nerves. I'd go all happy and positive with her for a while and see how she responds. No one wants to see a dog do the work with its ears down and tail tucked.

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    I have a few questions before I give my .02 on the subject.

    1. Are you messing with her at the line? Are you really trying to get that fine line to the blind? If you are... Do you do the same in training?

    2. Does the dog ever do this in training?

    3. How often do you run just simple confidence blinds?...
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    A lot of good advice so far.

    Maybe make sure she is really locked in the direction you want her going before you send her. This happened to me in training before when I wasn't taking my time to line him up properly. She might have been confused on where to go, so instead she no goed.

    Good luck and I'm sure y'all will get it resolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trykon View Post
    I have a few questions before I gives .02 on the subject.

    1. Are you messing with her at the line? Are you really trying to get that fine line to the blind? If you are... Do you do the same in training?

    2. Does the dog ever do this in training?

    3. How often do you run just simple confidence blinds?...

    Really good questions.
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    Just put her up and quit trainer her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Dogs View Post
    "..she had no gos in two MH test, on Q on one weekend and then again a no go in a MH test 4 weeks later."
    So what is going on at a test/trial that's locking her up? Dogs are incredibly astute at reading our vibes. With all due respect to the "force her to do it" folks it sure sounds to me that your gal is just afraid of the blind and a test situation just ramps up both of your nerves. I'd go all happy and positive with her for a while and see how she responds. No one wants to see a dog do the work with its ears down and tail tucked.
    Agree. It happened to me earlier this year after a lot of success in passing the Senior level tests. A training buddy pointed out that I was sending him with my Marine DI voice and that I should try getting a bit softer. I hadn't noticed that I was coming on strong in tests and when the problem first manifested itself I got even stronger (including adding pressure). Sure enough when I lightened up the problem went away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JS View Post
    Absolutely, QUIT running all these tests and giving her repeated opportunities to no-go at a test. Stop.

    With a dog of the background and past successes you describe, I think you know what to do. No question if this were my dog, I would be ready every time I set up for a blind and he would get 5 steps forward with a burn and a resend. And I would have to see MANY more blinds without a no-go before I would trust him at another test.

    For sure, someone is going to come on here and tell you the dog is confused and/or lacks confidence. With this dogs history as you describe it, he knows what back means. You are well past the teaching phase. There is no confusion unless you let him learn that he can question your send. You say 'back", he goes. Then you help him the rest of the way. Give him the benefit of the doubt and lighten up on any casting corrections until his attitude gets better about going.

    As far as confidence, at this point he should be pretty confident that if he doesn't go, he will pay the consequences.

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    Please, Wayne has the answer, put the dog up for a couple of weeks then find a new trainer. Proven effective. Why waste all this time, simple fix

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