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    I have been working with my 16 month old Lab Collie mix for about 6 weeks now. She was doing really well with multiple marks on land and water I had her going off her name and it was working great. I started to work on whistle and back with her about two weeks ago while starting every session with marks just as a refresher and to get her zoned in, then I would work on whistle and back command for a bit and when she would understand it really well I would finish up with a couple more marks then we would be done. Everything was still gong really well she would go on her name every time. This is where I think I messed up. I started to through her a mark and send her on it, then I would stop her with the whistle half way and send her back after it. things were still fine until this Monday all the sudden she wont go for a mark on her name, she wont even go at all until I give her a little nudge behind the head then she will take off fine. I think she isn't going anymore because she thought me stopping her with the whistle was because she was doing something wrong and now she is confused. So I separated whistle and back from marks again to try and get her to leave on her name again. Am I going about this the right way or where did I go wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reger124 View Post
    I have been working with my 16 month old Lab Collie mix for about 6 weeks now. She was doing really well with multiple marks on land and water I had her going off her name and it was working great. I started to work on whistle and back with her about two weeks ago while starting every session with marks just as a refresher and to get her zoned in, then I would work on whistle and back command for a bit and when she would understand it really well I would finish up with a couple more marks then we would be done. Everything was still gong really well she would go on her name every time. This is where I think I messed up. I started to through her a mark and send her on it, then I would stop her with the whistle half way and send her back after it. things were still fine until this Monday all the sudden she wont go for a mark on her name, she wont even go at all until I give her a little nudge behind the head then she will take off fine. I think she isn't going anymore because she thought me stopping her with the whistle was because she was doing something wrong and now she is confused. So I separated whistle and back from marks again to try and get her to leave on her name again. Am I going about this the right way or where did I go wrong?
    First of all welcome to the forum. To answer your question, yes you did go wrong, but that's ok, it can be fixed. First I will tell you the reason why continuing like this will be bad. Short version, your dog doesn't know whether you are sending on a mark or blind. This will cause problems later when you are running them together. It is extremely important when you start running diversions and poison birds (way later on) that your dog understand the difference in cues from the handler. Also, if you keep going this way then you are bound to develop a huge popping issue later on and it will be very difficult to develop perseverance on difficult marks because the dog will always be looking for your direction. There are drills for doing what you are trying to do such as force to the pile and the T family of drills. Do your stopping and casting there, never on marks unless absolutely necessary to correct an unforgivable sin such as switching.

    The first thing that you need to do is stop doing this drill you developed. Next run only simple marks with the dog until this problem of no-goes is fixed. Only after this has been accomplished should you resume any drill work. Use that time to get and study one of the many great methods out there and when you do return to drills I would suggest that you do them in a completely different area than where you run marks. Good luck.

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    Marks and blinds should be taught separately. Check out the sponsors, they have some nice material available to help provide a framework for how to teach this. Other options are getting with a local club or spending some time with a pro.

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    Heck I just saw that your in Scio. I'm just outside of Springfield and do one on one lessons if your interested. PM me for info...

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    I am interested but I need to make four more posts before it will let me PM

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    Reger124.

    What is 2+2

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    Reger124. What is 3+3

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    What is 4+4

    what is 5+5


    answer all of these separately and you'll have your correct number of posts

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    I am in Molalla and train some afternoons.Give me a PM when you get to 10
    As has been mentioned too get on a program and follow the flow charts for what steps to do when. Much less confusing for our dogs.We've all been there before.
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    i was gonna answer the first in four posts

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