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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    Rick, how would a 223 with a frangible bullet work? I know it won't penetrate the water but should turn anything behind what it does hit into mush for a few inches. Or is a 243 the medicine of choice?

    I think either one of them would be better choices than a hand thrown point and shoot camera.
    I've never used more than a .22 to kill them and only in season and by permit. They are, for practical purpose, a cash crop for landowners, which makes shooting one under other circumstance somewhat like popping a landowner host's cow. That, and we've the alligator egg picking permits for most places I train, so I could hurt my own wallet, too. Better all around just to give the gators the right of way and not risk legal consequence or strain relations with folks good enough to let us train on their land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_willie12 View Post
    But did the dogs drop the birds????
    The Golden was chronic about it. Needed constant reminders to hold and fetch. Took forever to complete even routine retrieves. That was before a thorough course of force fetch. It's just not that hard to do the job right. I'm continually amazed at trainers who speak about training past this issue as a "battle". To me it's just training.

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    Never saw that problem. But since I don't FF, I'd have probably tried letting him carry live, unclipped pigeons for a while. And if he let many of those fly off, find the poor dog a pet home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2tall View Post
    Not really much to add, but a timely observation. I just walked in from working with my 2 year old who is getting ready to run Senior. We haven't had any ducks for quite some time,(actually he hasn't had any since last Sept) so I took him out for some simple doubles using our nice new ducks. He did great on both set ups, nice bird handling, perfect delivery, steady, blah, blah, blah. . . On the last return, he was actually holding the duck by the butt end. Yes it was a true "cigar" hold. He had been doing that some when tired with bumpers, but like everybody else I thought it no big deal. The next thing we did was a "walk up", a fairly new concept for him, but we were trying to do it like I understand the current tests do, with a very short breaking bird. He took off, I corrected with a sharp "no here" and brought him back. That was a little too much for him, next time he was steady, went when sent, but on return repeatedly dropped the bird. Now was he warning me on the last bird of the double, or was he just overreacting to the correction for the break? All I know is that, yes, I did see a dog cigar the duck, and shortly thereafter displayed some bad habits on delivery that he had not previously. I guess I can only watch close and make sure it does not become the norm. Right now I'm kind of leaning towards Evan and Tony's take on it.
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    Sheesh Sharon, I have to keep those two far apart these days. Chief is acting just like Scout did at this age. NOT GOOD! I think he has a few Chessies in the woodpile
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