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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Marshall View Post
    Lean Mac's momma only has a WCX. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt McKenzie View Post
    While I agree that a strong bitch line is very important, some pretty nice dogs have come from dams without an FC or AFC title. Maxx, Tank, Patton (and all his siblings), Lottie, and Grady come to mind. That said, if you look closely at the pedigrees of the dams of all these dogs, you can learn a lot.
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    So, sounds like most of you would definitely consider a pup out of a non titled dam with strong pedigree who had produced nice pups before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Marshall View Post
    Lean Mac's momma only has a WCX. Just saying.

    And she was also QAA, as were her sire and dam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    the Dam is everything in the equation....if she wasnt then everyone would be breeding to the stud of the month and those litters would be producing champions with ease..Have you ever noticed that when litters really click,it seems that the entire litter has got the it gene...the sire may be the marquis name, but IMO the Dam brings more than her 50% to the equation...

    If you have a really good bitch, you usually have your choice of possible suitors....if you have an average or marginal bitch, then you are looking for that ONE stud to magically deliver all the talent to the litter
    I'm convinced this is where you start - with the bitch/dam. Then look for compatible sire......but start with the best bitch line your money can buy, even on the sire side. Example FC AFC Tequila Sunrise IX had very strong bitch lines & she was bred to 3 different sires. All three litters produced FC dogs, 10 in total. And BTW, she had 100 AA points too. There are a number of similar examples and such bitches consistently produce very nice pups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    So, sounds like most of you would definitely consider a pup out of a non titled dam with strong pedigree who had produced nice pups before?
    No I'd consider a pup out of a strong bitch. If you are going to choose a pup, choose the bitch, titles pedigree etc. that is all on paper, it's much better to know the bitch. You find a strong bitch that you know has all the characteristics you want in your pup, way ahead of time put your name on a breeding to possibly take place years later. If she's talented; even without titles; you won't be the only name on that list. Titles pedigree etc. be damned, they look pretty on the wall, but talent comes from talent. You don't need titles or pedigree to have talent, those are just highlights to attract everyone else. Studs get bred to everything the bitch makes it difference. Spend time with dogs, and watch the girls, find THE GIRL who could be bred to the dog down the street and you'd still want a puppy. The put your name in and hope the owners smart enough to breed her to a complement. Just my experience but pups come out like the mother, she will imprint her pups, for good or bad. I prefer to know the mom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    the Dam is everything in the equation....if she wasnt then everyone would be breeding to the stud of the month and those litters would be producing champions with ease..Have you ever noticed that when litters really click,it seems that the entire litter has got the it gene...the sire may be the marquis name, but IMO the Dam brings more than her 50% to the equation...

    If you have a really good bitch, you usually have your choice of possible suitors....if you have an average or marginal bitch, then you are looking for that ONE stud to magically deliver all the talent to the litter
    Ding ding ding! My thoughts exactly!

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    Let's also not forget ...........getting those puppies into competitive homes as well......................
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    And that proves what, that one should search for a breeding where the dam has a WCX (whatever that
    is)?
    A WCX is a working certificate. And along with the context up until that point in the thread, it proves that the dam of a breeding does not necessarily have to be an FC/AFC to throw good progeny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Marshall View Post
    A WCX is a working certificate. And along with the context up until that point in the thread, it proves that the dam of a breeding does not necessarily have to be an FC/AFC to throw good progeny.
    That has never been in question, nevertheless most good and great producing bitches have blue ribbon pedigrees and accomplished siblings, Maxx is a poor example for your argument.

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