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    Not to hijack the other thread. Does anyone have a video of what the swim by drill looks like?
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    It's been a while since I've watched this all the way through but I think it is what you are looking for:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJazrd5y_8

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    Here is another thread that I recall being a good depiction of what one trainer's application for one canine student looks like:

    Swimby Training Videos

    I think it's important to remember that each dog is different and as such, responses and performances will vary from dog-to-dog.
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    There are bits and pieces of the process on my videos of three dogs: Huck, Hank and Rowdy.
    Some of the ones with Hank are using a make do pond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson View Post
    Here is another thread that I recall being a good depiction of what one trainer's application for one canine student looks like:

    Swimby Training Videos

    I think it's important to remember that each dog is different and as such, responses and performances will vary from dog-to-dog.
    Times 2! Willy does a very nice job on this swim by video!
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    The purpose of swim by is to re enforce control?
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalone67 View Post
    The purpose of swim by is to re enforce control?
    I would summarize it, off the top of my head, by saying that the purpose of swimby is to transfer the handling skills learned on land, to the retriever for application in the water. It installs the tools needed to help enforce lining in water and "decheat" dogs in water.

    I'll come back after looking at what some of the experts say the purpose is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson View Post
    I would summarize it, off the top of my head, by saying that the purpose of swimby is to transfer the handling skills learned on land, to the retriever for application in the water. It installs the tools needed to help enforce lining in water and "decheat" dogs in water.

    I'll come back after looking at what some of the experts say the purpose is.

    Chris
    To quote Mike Lardy in his Swimby Article form the Volume I series:
    The swim-by transfers to water the handling skills learned on double T
    Dennis Voigt writes in his Swimby Article (click link at left to view) the following:
    The Swim-by generally follows the teaching of the Double-T on land. That step prepares the dog for several of the skills that the dog will develop in the water. The Swim-by is an important pre-cursor to teaching your dog about water channels and water cheating singles. Novices, seeing the Swim-by for the first time often question the process of Swim-by and why it is necessary. Experienced trainers have learned that the Swim-by produces a dog with a readiness to stay in the water and a dog with important skills that make teaching advanced water work much easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson View Post
    To quote Mike Lardy in his Swimby Article form the Volume I series:

    Dennis Voigt writes in his Swimby Article (click link at left to view) the following:
    Makes a lot of sense to me. I know I'm ahead of the game as I've just started OB with the pup, but you can't ask to many questions.
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    Here's you a few more from Bill Hillmann to watch. I put my 14 month old through swim by using Bill's technique earlier this summer. Very pleased with how his subsequent water work and attitude have developed. His Water Fundamentals DVD is more in-depth, but these clips give a good overview.

    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...-Tw_S-c6yNi58t
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