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J. Marti
07-21-2020, 06:39 PM
Hi All,

While looking up something else, I happened to read this in the rule book:

Until called to be tested, a dog shall be kept whereit cannot see the location of a fall for another dog, orsee the planting or retrieve of a blind, unless such bein compliance with instructions of the Judges as in ahunting situation in which the dog is required to honor before being run.

Does this mean judges could set up a test which requires each dog to honor another before the dog actually does any retrieving work? Or am I interpreting this wrong?

paul young
07-21-2020, 08:32 PM
Cold honors are generally a poor idea. But are within the framework of the rules. -Paul

J. Marti
07-22-2020, 04:45 PM
Thanks, Paul. I hope I never have to honor with a dog before he gets any retrieves. Might increase the difficulty factor ten-fold.

Daren Galloway
07-22-2020, 08:34 PM
It's becoming common in FT's since the rule change that Honor's are required. Heat, dog numbers, pro numbers, distance to other stakes etc etc make a regular honor after a triple or quad difficult logistically, so they are doing it with a blind. Throw a mark, honor dog gets it, working dog runs the blind.

Matt McKenzie
07-23-2020, 06:46 AM
It's becoming common in FT's since the rule change that Honor's are required. Heat, dog numbers, pro numbers, distance to other stakes etc etc make a regular honor after a triple or quad difficult logistically, so they are doing it with a blind. Throw a mark, honor dog gets it, working dog runs the blind.

I must not be following your explanation of this setup.. Does the working dog run the blind with the mark as a poison bird and then the honor dog picks up the mark?

Daren Galloway
07-23-2020, 06:52 AM
I must not be following your explanation of this setup.. Does the working dog run the blind with the mark as a poison bird and then the honor dog picks up the mark?

No. They start with 2 dogs on line, a mark is thrown, 1 dog is sent, he is then excused and the other dog runs the blind. After the blind they become the marking dog.

paul young
07-23-2020, 08:19 AM
AKC Hunt Test rules require that all marks and diversion birds are to be retrieved by the working dog.

From pages 26 and 27 of the regulations:

"Diversion birds may appear on a blind retrieve either after the dog has been sent for, or when a dog is returning from the blind retrieve; however, diversion birds shall only appear on marks when the dog is returning from a retrieve. Diversion birds shall always be initiated in front of the working dog. The diversion bird is not a mark but constitutes a trainability situation. It is always retrieved by the working dog. Diversion birds shall be shot or thrown when the working dog is in a location that it should be able to see the bird as it goes up into the air and as it falls."

While Judges could set up a test such as you describe, It would add a 4th hunting situation (series) as the single mark would not satisfy the requirements of at least 2 triples and an additional multiple retrieve. It Could be a double, I suppose. All it would really add is complexity to the mechanics of the test. -Paul

paul young
07-23-2020, 09:29 AM
I must not be following your explanation of this setup.. Does the working dog run the blind with the mark as a poison bird and then the honor dog picks up the mark?

Matt, this can actually be more difficult for some dogs than a poison bird blind. The dog running the blind does not know that the mark has been picked up. If the mark is thrown fairly close to and cross-wind to the line to the blind, the suction is extreme. Worst case would be a wind that is blowing a little bit towards the mat as well as being cross-wind. Big scent cone to work the dog through. Such a test can be really difficult. Certainly, it's something that requires training for. -Paul

Matt McKenzie
07-23-2020, 10:25 AM
Thanks for the clarification.