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    This whole thread confuses "training" (teaching...

    This whole thread confuses "training" (teaching the skill) vs. "proofing" (testing the skill in a simulated environment).

    The big names mentioned are trying to proof their work - not teach the...
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    Or you can forget the gimmicks and just do solid...

    Or you can forget the gimmicks and just do solid obedience before you get there.
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    Seems like a confidence issue not a marking...

    Seems like a confidence issue not a marking issue. Agree ^^^

    Also on day 2 you introduced a new concept in the middle of a huge set up. Mistake.

    No systematic teaching of the concept,...
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    Would be here for most people. The dogs tend to...

    Would be here for most people. The dogs tend to get trough OK.

    If I were doing it personally and created that issue, no.
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    I've seen a number of dogs get squared away as...

    I've seen a number of dogs get squared away as the process goes on. You being more aware of your own actions and how they might effect your dog will help make sure that symptom doesn't get carried...
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    Sorry for your loss :( we need more people like...

    Sorry for your loss :( we need more people like you out there giving good dogs great homes.
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    I'm with Darren about moving to FF but I want to...

    I'm with Darren about moving to FF but I want to point something out to you..

    If you're doing all that stuff and it's making him nervous (it is) - two or three major possibilities 1) you're doing...
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    Down/stay on a platform with lots of distractions...

    Down/stay on a platform with lots of distractions going on - teach him to do it for 90 minutes consistently. Basic obedience.
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    I think you'd have to ask Mike that question if...

    I think you'd have to ask Mike that question if you really wanted more than a supposition.

    I'd add this - the more "hands on" you are with your dog, the more respect he will develop for you and...
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    Pushing him to hunt harder with the e-collar is a...

    Pushing him to hunt harder with the e-collar is a mistake.

    Him stopping to pee or screw around while he's supposed to be working is symptom of lacking respect, not lacking focus/effort. It does...
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    Respectfully - the dog isn't too soft. You're too...

    Respectfully - the dog isn't too soft. You're too hard. The "pro" you gave him to either doesn't have the time or knowledge to modulate his approach properly. Need a new/different trainer.

    You...
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    You should/could be right around or in a period....

    You should/could be right around or in a period. If you see other new, cautious behaviors, that could be part of the issue.

    If pup will chase a moving rag or ball, they will eventually retrieve.
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    I think you've been around long enough not to...

    I think you've been around long enough not to drink that Kool Aide.

    It actually makes no sense (as is the case with most blanket assertions).

    I think that's a quote from Milner or one of the...
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    Thanks Tim!

    Thanks Tim!
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    Thanks for taking the time to reply Doc. Great...

    Thanks for taking the time to reply Doc. Great information.
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    No faster way to lose a long term, good friend...

    No faster way to lose a long term, good friend than to have their dog die while in your care.
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    Doc, Have you seen a dog like Shadow being on a...

    Doc, Have you seen a dog like Shadow being on a given circuit actually suppress entries?
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    I guess one has to also ask themselves, at what...

    I guess one has to also ask themselves, at what point in labrador's FT career are they worth the most money? That could be a goal also.
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    A train wreck usually gathers a lot of attention,...

    A train wreck usually gathers a lot of attention, after all.
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    If you train alone or only with a person or two -...

    If you train alone or only with a person or two - try deliberately scenting the AOF and disturbing the cover, so the dog's nose tells him he's arrived. Salting the area with extra birds might also...
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    Takes a lot to come out and say that Mark. Thank...

    Takes a lot to come out and say that Mark. Thank you.
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    I just circled back around here to see what...

    I just circled back around here to see what others recommended, in case something interesting was mentioned.

    Reading the thread got me to thinking, Hugh.

    Why do you really want something sans...
  23. Neat post Ken! What you said is true of most...

    Neat post Ken! What you said is true of most dogs, actually. They are either a natural born pack leader OR they will become one in the absence of one. I guess it's a necessity of their genetic code...
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    I guess you have to have some idea of what that...

    I guess you have to have some idea of what that person is looking to get out of the transaction to come up with a deal that would work out for everyone.
  25. In some ways I find a qual to be much easier than...

    In some ways I find a qual to be much easier than a master and in others much harder. It's certainly not comparable to a SH.

    Steve, IMO on the mark here. My first pup was a SH at 18 mos, a MH at...
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