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    Training for precision lining and casting in the...

    I have just realized this with my young dog. Trying for precision to challenge the blind has caused him to pop due to lack of confidence. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]

    Training for precision lining...
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    There is another attribute you deal with ( or...

    There is another attribute you deal with ( or not). It is interesting how some dogs thrive on pressure and it improves their performance and others can be just the opposite.
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    How well a dog is conditioned plays a big part. ...

    How well a dog is conditioned plays a big part. During conditioning you figure out how much pressure you need to get a change in behavior under various circumstances. You also teach the dog how to...
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    The mental weakness is a key point. A dog that...

    The mental weakness is a key point. A dog that can’t function under pressure is hard to advance in training, whether the mental pressure is the result of physical correction or inability to handle...
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    Great link

    Great link
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    Sensitive to Tough = the response to various...

    Sensitive to Tough = the response to various levels and types of pressure to change behavior. Sensitive can be good because it takes very little pressure to change behavior, but can deal with it.
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    One strategy to use is to put out several blinds...

    One strategy to use is to put out several blinds around the field so if you get a good direction change you can let the dog carry it a long way toward one of those blinds.
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    We have a lot of discussions about how to train,...

    We have a lot of discussions about how to train, how to solve problems, how to correct, etc. Most of these discussions start or end with “it depends”. I think a lot of the “it depends” is due to...
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    I am assuming your dog does casting drills in the...

    I am assuming your dog does casting drills in the yard and knows the difference between straight back, angle back, and over.

    If you get a dig back, stop the dog and call it back in to where you...
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    Training for a good initial line on marks is...

    Training for a good initial line on marks is important in my view. If the dog commits to a poor initial line on a mark you need to decide how to address it.
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    If there are factors pushing the dog behind the...

    If there are factors pushing the dog behind the gun, then handling as you see him giving in makes sense. How close to the line is that cove of water? Is it visible to the dog from the line or while...
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    Maybe he was pushing off the water or some other...

    Maybe he was pushing off the water or some other factor that put him behind the gun. I assume M1 is a go bird or single so he should do it. Being lazy maybe?

    Weird stuff makes me wonder about...
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    ^^^^^^agree^^^^^^^ homework

    ^^^^^^agree^^^^^^^ homework
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    I think it’s all about communicating what you...

    I think it’s all about communicating what you want to the dog and balancing how much information you give them with how much responsibility you want them to take for completing the retrieve. If the...
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    I would prefer pup from a proven producer of FT...

    I would prefer pup from a proven producer of FT titled dogs. As Ted said, by the time you know a bitch at produced any titles dogs, they are no longer being bred.

    It’s all about finding the nick...
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    Most of us follow some program derived from Rex...

    Most of us follow some program derived from Rex Carr and popularized through some video programs and generally followed by the pros in the sport. There are many variations, but Force Fetch, Pile...
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    That’s another question regarding handle vs....

    That’s another question regarding handle vs. recall vs. Gunner help in training. Did the dog fail the mark because it forgot, it’s not trying, it’s not smart enough, lacks heart, or not schooled...
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    I read NEF first. 🤓

    I read NEF first. 🤓
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    If we disagree, aren’t we mortal enemies now? ...

    Yes. The Rule Book is silent on many things, and we judges are required to make an interpretation. If I see a dog speeding out of the area and a handler blows the whistle, I interpret that as no...
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    That could be. People handle so little it’s hard...

    The handle as the dog goes by the bird and starts to get out of the area (hasn’t hunted), I think is many times penalized more severely as the judge assumes the dog was lined through the area and did...
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    For me subvariants 1 and 2 are similar. Both...

    I wanted to expand on what Ed said

    As to Ed's category 1, I agree. No mark. Failure. Drop.

    As to category 2, I would offer two practical sub-categories

    2A) Long retired bird. Dog...
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    You could win with a handle if a handle gets you...

    You could win with a handle if a handle gets you out of the first and to the fourth series. Lord knows I have had dogs that we’re winning hands down implode in the fourth series leaving an...
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    My response was ambiguous. The rule book...

    My response was ambiguous.

    The rule book clear about a quick handle being better. In practice it is not that way, which is why handlers choose to let their dogs hunt vs. a quick handle.
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    A dog that hunts hells half acre is probably...

    A dog that hunts hells half acre is probably worse than a quick handle in my book. It depends, though.
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    And people who had gorilla hunts dropped get ...

    And people who had gorilla hunts dropped get upset because good handles were called back. I ask my self “ did the dog indicate a mark?” and judge accordingly. Handle or not.
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