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    I've recently acquired #166 (of 1000 copies...

    I've recently acquired #166 (of 1000 copies printed), originally presented to Charles W. Berg -- a name I recognize but can't offhand place. Anyone?

    I expect any copies not yet given out were lost...
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    If that's meant to be a dig at me, dig harder, I...

    If that's meant to be a dig at me, dig harder, I don't have a dog in that fight -- the nearest point my dogs have any Kellogg ancestry is the 1940s and I've never had a dilute. And I'm not hard to...
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    I visited Kellogg Kennels in December 1980, and...

    I visited Kellogg Kennels in December 1980, and the only breed Mayo had was Labs. Far as I know they've never had Weims, and hadn't had any pointers since the late '60s. His granddad had Llewellyn...
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    HALF sister. Pepper's Jiggs: CNFC Ardyn's Ace...

    HALF sister.

    Pepper's Jiggs: CNFC Ardyn's Ace of Merwalfin ex Black Magic of Van Nola View
    '61 NFC Ace's Sheba of Ardyn: CNFC Ardyn's Ace of Merwalfin ex Chanbar Christmas Holly
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    Per various sources, it is correct as labeled in...

    Per various sources, it is correct as labeled in the photo posted in this thread. Warwick had the picture mis-labeled (her book has numerous errors in pedigrees and photo captions).

    BTW, who broke...
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    In Irish Setters, retained testicle was...

    In Irish Setters, retained testicle was determined to be a sex-linked recessive, ie. inherited on the X chromosome through the dam, not the sire. My guess (based on a lot of breeding experience) is...
  7. No. Far as I can tell it wasn't Soupy; it was...

    No. Far as I can tell it wasn't Soupy; it was Guy's Bitterroot Lucky. He was the common factor behind the EIC-symptom dogs I know of from back in the 1970s. They'd seem fine in training or hunting...
  8. So the dog food companies have us convinced, but...

    So the dog food companies have us convinced, but I used to manufacture dog food, and I can attest that this notion about protein prices is just not true.

    When I last checked the commodities...
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    [turns monitor up to 'FRY"] Guess it depends on...

    [turns monitor up to 'FRY"] Guess it depends on how dark the picture is :) When I turn up the gain it's more of a grey, yeah... and that, I had not seen nor heard of back when I was involved in...
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    I'd never heard it called "ash", but I've been...

    I'd never heard it called "ash", but I've been away from Chessies and the ACC for some years. Doesn't look any different from the light browns we saw back-when, so maybe it's the same thing in a new...
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    It does not make yellow into white. The two...

    It does not make yellow into white. The two "silver" yellows that I've seen had grey noses and eyes, and rather than their coat shadings being cream, tan, or reddish shading, one's was extremely pale...
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    I wonder if this "ash" thing is a chinchilla gene...

    I wonder if this "ash" thing is a chinchilla gene rather than a dilution gene. Certainly looks like it.
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    Yep... people talk like it's just one bunch of...

    Yep... people talk like it's just one bunch of polluted dogs, but it's not. I think this is going to be just like the chocolate gene -- it had a point source in the 1800s (Buccleuch Avon) which means...
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    Whose were they?? The usual situation when...

    Whose were they??

    The usual situation when there's a substitution is that the old man can't get it up anymore, so one of his sons takes over stud duties, at least til they're caught. Which means...
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    That was kinda my point up above. If it had been...

    That was kinda my point up above. If it had been some big-name breeder "doing all the right things", by now it would be an accepted colour. But since it was some nobody and a half-vast operation.......
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    From what I've seen, the guy didn't start off...

    From what I've seen, the guy didn't start off being a dick about it (tho I'd have to agree, he is now). That came after being attacked by the Lab-powers-that-be.
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    What I mean is a pedigree where there is NO...

    What I mean is a pedigree where there is NO possibility of the dilute factor coming from both sides, assuming the pedigree is accurate. And I've yet to see one where I couldn't track it on both sides.
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    I have a photocopy of one of the registrations...

    I have a photocopy of one of the registrations here somewhere, with the colour listed as "silver"; Crist sent it to me -- I'd inquired after seeing Dudly, just curious. IIRC it's for Spook Culo.
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    BTW why would he care? AKC had registered the...

    BTW why would he care? AKC had registered the first ones as "silver" without a blink. (Remember, back then you could write in the dog's colour. It wasn't limited to the three kosher choices.) There...
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    You misread what I said. I'll use small words...

    You misread what I said. I'll use small words this time... :rolleyes:

    His first dog and bitch were chocolate; he'd evidently set out to breed chocolates, no different from a lot of people back...
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    Somewhere around here I have the original...

    Somewhere around here I have the original pedigree (a photocopy of the AKC-issued pedigree, and some further research I had done later) for Crist's first "silver" pups (Dudly Culo who was cast-iron...
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    I know that accusation has come up in recent...

    I know that accusation has come up in recent times (never at the time of the original "silver" controversy) -- but I spoke to the AKC rep who did the actual on-site investigation, and he told me "the...
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    Actually, there had been Curlies in the U.S....

    Actually, there had been Curlies in the U.S. since about 1860, and there are historical photos that may be earlier than that. The first Curlies that can be identified (by pedigree) in the NKC/AKC...
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    Nope.... but when I read that in M.R-W's book, I...

    Nope.... but when I read that in M.R-W's book, I immediately thought of the famous photo of several Kinley Labs in a row, the particular look they have through the eyes and earset, and of the tail...
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    The fact is, most of our breeds are not so...

    The fact is, most of our breeds are not so simon-pure as we'd like to believe.

    Until the early 1900s, crossbreedings were commonly used to gain desired traits or to correct faults. Also, as Mary...
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