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    A little history:

    In the first couple of centuries following the death and resurrection of Jesus, the Christians were martyred for several reasons, but the most common one was that they would not offer incense to an idol of the Caesar (he had his own temple and priests and so forth. It was emperor worship.) Now the Christians went to their deaths because to them it was a big deal. They could not worship any god but the True God and His True Son. But even for those who were not martyred, it was still a huge deal because without this trivial act of burning a little incense, no one was allowed to conduct any commerce. Think of it as a pagan business tax. So a lot of them were little more than slaves.

    Fast forward to the present. The judges of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals have said that the Little Sisters have to sign a piece of paper that authorizes a third party payer to write policies for their employees, policies that meet the Affordable Care Act prerequisite of abortion services. That's the big whoop "accommodation" the administration is offering them. They don't have to provide abortion services, they can authorize another company to provide it.

    Now... let's look back at the Christians of the 1st and 2nd Century... suppose the Christian merchants had been told... "hey, guys... no big deal. All you gotta do here is sign this little document and old Marcus over here will gladly burn the incense for you. Toss him a couple of denarii and it's a done deal. No harm no foul." Do you suppose that would have been passed muster for the apostles and other the Christians of that day? Hey, no big deal, Sister Mary Margaret, just your john hancock on this little piece of paper and, oh yeah, bend the knee to the emperor and let Claudius the health insurance agent do the dirty work.

    That's what our judiciary thinks of as religious freedom.

    Here are 2 predictions:

    1. The Little Sisters have not yet begun to fight.
    2. If they've exhausted every avenue of possible appeal, they'll very reluctantly and with broken hearts, transfer their hospice patients to other homes and lay off their employees. Then they'll go into a cloister and pray for the justices and for us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1tulip View Post
    A little history:

    In the first couple of centuries following the death and resurrection of Jesus, the Christians were martyred for several reasons, but the most common one was that they would not offer incense to an idol of the Caesar (he had his own temple and priests and so forth. It was emperor worship.) Now the Christians went to their deaths because to them it was a big deal. They could not worship any god but the True God and His True Son. But even for those who were not martyred, it was still a huge deal because without this trivial act of burning a little incense, no one was allowed to conduct any commerce. Think of it as a pagan business tax. So a lot of them were little more than slaves.

    Fast forward to the present. The judges of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals have said that the Little Sisters have to sign a piece of paper that authorizes a third party payer to write policies for their employees, policies that meet the Affordable Care Act prerequisite of abortion services. That's the big whoop "accommodation" the administration is offering them. They don't have to provide abortion services, they can authorize another company to provide it.

    Now... let's look back at the Christians of the 1st and 2nd Century... suppose the Christian merchants had been told... "hey, guys... no big deal. All you gotta do here is sign this little document and old Marcus over here will gladly burn the incense for you. Toss him a couple of denarii and it's a done deal. No harm no foul." Do you suppose that would have been passed muster for the apostles and other the Christians of that day? Hey, no big deal, Sister Mary Margaret, just your john hancock on this little piece of paper and, oh yeah, bend the knee to the emperor and let Claudius the health insurance agent do the dirty work.

    That's what our judiciary thinks of as religious freedom.

    Here are 2 predictions:

    1. The Little Sisters have not yet begun to fight.
    2. If they've exhausted every avenue of possible appeal, they'll very reluctantly and with broken hearts, transfer their hospice patients to other homes and lay off their employees. Then they'll go into a cloister and pray for the justices and for us all.
    1tulip, you must understand that these secular progressives are determined to eliminate charity and control one's healthcare. Our community organizer and Kathleen Sebelius stood before the cameras and bold faced lied when they said that requiring insurance carriers provide contraception, was done in order to guarantee availability to all women above the age of puberty. Gynecological and contraceptives have been provided for years at all county health departments, something I have repeated many times. Some here even spout that lie of availability. Take a look at those countries that have the single employer system and you will not see ANY charitable services. It will go much further than that. You will see research and development also affected. Donations for these things will dry up. One here even described charity as subjecting people to the "WHIMS ANDVAGARIES" of charity. Look at your 2nd prediction, lay off employees and transfer hospice patients to other homes. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO HAPPEN.


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
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    If the Little Sisters lose this fight it will be a PR nightmare for Ojacka$$.

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    and all this time I thought Little Sisters of the Poor was the team that Alabama opened the football season with each year
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeland View Post
    If the Little Sisters lose this fight it will be a PR nightmare for Ojacka$$.
    I promise you, he could care less. He knew exactly what he was doing when he required all health insurance to provide contraceptives. Had NOTHING to do with availability. It was a direct attack on the Catholic Church. Why not take on the biggest charitable organization? You should have seen that woman on MSNBC, while interviewing Sen. Colburn told her about availability of contraceptives at health departments. She didn't know what to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    I promise you, he could care less. He knew exactly what he was doing when he required all health insurance to provide contraceptives. Had NOTHING to do with availability. It was a direct attack on the Catholic Church. Why not take on the biggest charitable organization? You should have seen that woman on MSNBC, while interviewing Sen. Colburn told her about availability of contraceptives at health departments. She didn't know what to say.
    I'm thinking he doesn't want to go down in history as the one who forced the little sister's to close up shop. Thats what they will do before they bend on their religous belief to not provide contraception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    and all this time I thought Little Sisters of the Poor was the team that Alabama opened the football season with each year
    yes bon, yes! they are also go by the name of "badgers" for this upcoming season. i am not sure what state they hail from?

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    Whereas I don't think that churches should be compelled to provide services that go against their teachings, and whereas, I can respect the church's stance against abortion, the Catholic church should be pilloried and driven out for their disgraceful and dangerous stance on birth control. I will also say that abortion might be less of a concern if the Catholic church would help women all around the world by teaching and promoting intelligent family planning. It is criminal in this day and age, with the AIDS epidemic (esp in Africa), for an organization with the level of influence that the church wields, to take a stance so harshly against safe sex.
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