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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    If you look at the definition these border arrests are arrests where they are brought in and processed and not simply just turned away. So if out in the desert they catch a bunch of people crossing illegally that would count as a border arrest. If they caught people at the crossing with fake people then that would count also if they arrested them. If Pablo walks up and asks if he can come in and they say no and he turns around and walks home. that doesn't count. So at minimum you have made the strong case that Obama has strengthened our protection at the border. This by the way is a good thing. The Cato report tracked this for the years Bush was in office so I am not buying that Obama changed the rules for himself.

    You can ignore that however and focus then on arrests made in the Interior of the country and they are still double of what Bush did or even more.

    Straight from the glossary of the report you provided.

    Border Removal:
    An individual removed by ICE who is apprehended while attempting to illicitly enter the United States at or between the ports of entry by a CBP officer or agent. These individuals are also referred to as recent border crossers.
    You win Henlee, Obama ain't cooking the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Storts View Post
    Here is all the number you want. Have fun reading.

    http://cis.org/ICE-Illegal-Immigrant-Deportations
    Dan - you will never convince the Obamanites that their King rein high is manipulating data to give the perception he has been the strongest POTUS on immigration and border enforcement, when in fact the opposite couldn't be more true. He is the master of deception. Hell they keep denying that their King's tall tale of "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" was a F'ing lie.

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    You gotta hate it when facts and numbers make people think they know what they are talking about. All you have to do to see if there is a problem is watch the liar in chief open his mouth. If he spews what he considers as facts you know it is a lie because his lips are moving.

    Oduma$$ changed the way illegals are counted, the way illegals are deported, the way illegals can be arrested and detained or not detained is a better way of saying it. He contaminates everything he touches. He is a sickness that needs to be cured. The worst part is the narcissist truly thinks he is a good president and has stated if it wasn't for the constitution he could win a third term.

    Once a man changes the way business is done to make himself look good and gloats about it he has lost his credibility. If he wanted to do something about illegal immigration he had the first two years of his presidency to get it accomplished. Instead he felt like he needed to apologize for America and stuff a B.S. health care system down our throats. Now he can suck an egg as he has wasted his chance for greatness and has made the peanut farmer a very happy man before he dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Down East Labs 217 View Post
    You gotta hate it when facts and numbers make people think they know what they are talking about. All you have to do to see if there is a problem is watch the liar in chief open his mouth. If he spews what he considers as facts you know it is a lie because his lips are moving.

    Oduma$$ changed the way illegals are counted, the way illegals are deported, the way illegals can be arrested and detained or not detained is a better way of saying it. He contaminates everything he touches. He is a sickness that needs to be cured. The worst part is the narcissist truly thinks he is a good president and has stated if it wasn't for the constitution he could win a third term.

    Once a man changes the way business is done to make himself look good and gloats about it he has lost his credibility. If he wanted to do something about illegal immigration he had the first two years of his presidency to get it accomplished. Instead he felt like he needed to apologize for America and stuff a B.S. health care system down our throats. Now he can suck an egg as he has wasted his chance for greatness and has made the peanut farmer a very happy man before he dies.
    With the Hilldabeast flaming on reentry with odds of her getting elected POTUS pretty much gone I wouldn't put it past O jacka$$ to scheme away a national emergency or other trigger that would delay electing a new POTUS. He knows his legacy is not cemented without a democrat successor. Why all the hush hush military excercises in Texas geared toward civil unrest?

    That pesky little piece of paper called the Constitution doesn't seem to deter him on other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    If you look at the definition these border arrests are arrests where they are brought in and processed and not simply just turned away. So if out in the desert they catch a bunch of people crossing illegally that would count as a border arrest. If they caught people at the crossing with fake people then that would count also if they arrested them. If Pablo walks up and asks if he can come in and they say no and he turns around and walks home. that doesn't count. So at minimum you have made the strong case that Obama has strengthened our protection at the border. This by the way is a good thing. The Cato report tracked this for the years Bush was in office so I am not buying that Obama changed the rules for himself.

    You can ignore that however and focus then on arrests made in the Interior of the country and they are still double of what Bush did or even more.

    Straight from the glossary of the report you provided.

    Border Removal:
    An individual removed by ICE who is apprehended while attempting to illicitly enter the United States at or between the ports of entry by a CBP officer or agent. These individuals are also referred to as recent border crossers.
    If you look into it, you find that it was the Bush administration that changed the way the counting was done, and now we get outrage from the conservatives about the statistics. Priceless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    If you look into it, you find that it was the Bush administration that changed the way the counting was done, and now we get outrage from the conservatives about the statistics. Priceless...
    You libs just will never ever give up with the it's Bush's fault mantra will you......
    Last edited by freezeland; 07-29-2015 at 02:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    If you look into it, you find that it was the Bush administration that changed the way the counting was done, and now we get outrage from the conservatives about the statistics. Priceless...
    Chose one or the other because you cannot have it both ways. If Bush was using the same accounting system this meant the boarder was more secure because less people crossing. You have also said the borders are more secure than ever, but we're sending twice as many back. using the same accounting method as Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeland View Post
    You libs just will never ever give up with the it's Buish's fault mantra will you......
    Could have to do with the fact that Bush43 is our second worse President (LBJ the worst) in our last 50 years!

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/u-s-un...nt-population/

    In 2000 we had an estimated 8,5000,000 illegals
    In 2007 we had an estimated 11,800,000 illegals
    In 2013 we had an estimated 11,700,000 illegals

    Source: U.S. Department of Homeland Security
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    sigh......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Could have to do with the fact that Bush43 is our second worse President (LBJ the worst) in our last 50 years!

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/u-s-un...nt-population/

    In 2000 we had an estimated 8,5000,000 illegals
    In 2007 we had an estimated 11,800,000 illegals
    In 2013 we had an estimated 11,700,000 illegals

    Source: U.S. Department of Homeland Security
    Here you be Franco. It is even interactive. Thus, you can add or delete groups and be able to lie with your own numbers by creating a link to the page. (FYI deleting whitey, for some equations, will really make your talking points look better.)

    Use legitimate links for populations numbers. DHS ?

    http://www.census.gov/population/intmigration/
    Last edited by Dan Storts; 07-29-2015 at 02:09 PM.

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