Originally Posted by Charles C.
A question was originally asked as to where to purchase a specific training aid.
Then a question was asked as to what the use of that aid was. Then some reasons as to what the training aide was used for as well as some alternatives.
Then the comment of if FTP was done right there would be no need for this type of prop
Then if that is the case shoul we not remove those big white props called official guns at Field Trials or have the handlers not use white jackets. After all they are props as well.
I guess all those white bumpers we use in T and Double T are props as well
Are classic sight blinds props also ?
Here is an answer to why the white cones are used in training
Known as a visual aid pattern blind the drill has two purposes.1. It conditions the dog to run long and straight lines to blind retrieves 2. It helps introduction into complex blind retrieves as the dog progresses.It can be used on land or water.
It is a thoroughly positive technique.The dog always succeeds in his initial run and it helps prevent popping
Ken, your talkin to the guy who wrote a whole book on stickmen. I would like to hear Evan speak more on this.
[quote="Judy Chute"]Fine with me...I'll use the "prop". A "crutch" if one does not move on as they should..Originally Posted by Evan
Warning! There will come a day when that "crutch" becomes your demise.
When that styrofoam cup or other piece of white debris catches your dog's eye in the last series, they go there instead of to the bird and you go home empty handed.
I've been there and don't want to go back!
Go to Wal-mart's sporting goods section. They have small orange cones next to the soccer balls. They are dirt cheap, lite weight, and stack for minimal storage space. Then go to the home improvement section and buy a roll of white duc-tape. Put a ring of tape around the top and you got it.
As far as crutches, I use them to mark my T piles, and initially on pattern blinds, but remove them once the dog has identified where the three piles are. We could go on and on for days ( and this thread probably will) on whether it's good to use them regularly. For confidence work, I will put piles in in front of trees, large rocks, telephone poles, anything conspicuous. After two or three casts, you really see the "look" and "lock on" mentioned before. I never do the same thing twice, and after a couple of weeks, the dog is looking where your are directing it to.
Just some things that work for me. Good luck,
The more I am around people, the more I cherish the company of dogs and cattle.
Josh, I am well aware of Evans accomplishments but his methods are not the beginning and end and only way to all training. There are other methods and programs that are very successful when applied correctly
Wolters,Carr,Lardy,Spence,Dahl.Graham plus too many to mention.
E-Collar trainers vs the Amish Trainers
Which is best ? who is right or wrong ?
I just do not like that when someone who asks a question gets a criticism to the question instead of an actual answer
I do understand the dog being sucked to a stray coffe cup or piece of paper,it is every Fters nightmare and if i went to the line and saw a white something in the field that was not there before i would ask the judge to please have it removed.
But are not other things able to "suck" a dog off a line or mark ? The memory of old mark,a person standing in plain sight,a distant shotgun ?
It is also why i do suction drills in the hope it never happens in an actual trial. and also why as i said the cones in the beginning do teach a dog to run long and straight. It helps the dog lock in on a distant picture in the direction he is aimed and sent till he either get a dummy/bird or hears your whisle
Ken, I agree with you 100%.
I don't use 1 method (probably a fool), i use a little bit of everybody.
So do I