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    Just my luck, I'm entered in my first Master test next weekend (for myself and the dogs) and also happened to be drawn dog #1 and #30 in a 60-dog entry. I was really hoping to be able to watch a few dogs run ahead of me. Oh well, someone has to go first.

    Both dogs have their SH and know the game and been training well for their first master test. Other than knowing the rules and watching the test dog, and asking the judges questions, do any of you have handler tips for running dog #1? What are the Pros/cons of running first. Thanks!

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    Depending on how strict the marshal and judges are they may let you run out of order. Just politely ask and explain if you wish not to run first. They may accommodate you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogsNDawgs View Post
    Depending on how strict the marshal and judges are they may let you run out of order. Just politely ask and explain if you wish not to run first. They may accommodate you.
    Thanks, but I won't ask to adjust the running order. I'll accept the hand I was dealt. If the marshall shuffles the order to accomodate others, so be it, but it won't come from me.

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    I understand the "this is the hand I was dealt" BUT if there are handlers (pro's and amateurs) running multiple dogs in multiple stakes, the Marshall will probably like to get some of those dogs in first, so it never hurts to mention your position to the Marshall. That will give you a couple of additional dogs to watch.

    As to advantages / disadvantages - depending on the test and terrain - no drag back scent (can help or hinder), height of cover (if tall has not been knocked down - can help or hinder), temperature of the day (can be better to run early), depending on the direction of the setup the sun or shadows can help or hinder.

    Whenever you end up at the line, remember to watch the test dog, asks ANY question you may have (the only dumb question is the one you don't ask and should have) and do not let the Marshall hurry you up to go and get your dog before all comments and questions re: the test dogs run have been answered and all handlers head out to get dogs 2, 3, 4, etc. Always a chance of one extra piece of information given that could be critical to you qualifying or not .... ask me how I know!
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    Relax. Ask the judges if you can take a look at the setup from the line. Don't be bashful about telling the judges this is your first master run and ask if there is anything you should know about the test that may not be obvious to a rookie. Relax. Plan how you want to handle the test - which side to have pup on, where pup should be placed to focus on the birds, . . . Relax Take 4 deep breaths before stepping out of the holding blind (seriously. It helps.) Relax. Take your time, and don't forget your whistle. Relax.
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    Watch test dog from line with everyone else. Then go get your dog.
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    I always liked running 1st or 2nd my dogs were always wired and the longer they sat in thier kennels the nuttier they got. A good trainer could have fixed that but they were stuck with me and i never could

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    Guys - great inputs by everyone. And Bob, thanks for the reminder to relax and to breathe. Very important!

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    In running and judging, I have found that the blinds are the biggest challenge to handlers moving up to Master level. don't be afraid to ask the Judges about any conditions or obstacles you may need to manage to get the blind while "challenging the blind". Running first, the main challenge might be any blind to run. hopefully, the test dog exposes the bigger hazards for you and then you need to manage your dog to properly negotiate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinismybrother View Post
    In running and judging, I have found that the blinds are the biggest challenge to handlers moving up to Master level. don't be afraid to ask the Judges about any conditions or obstacles you may need to manage to get the blind while "challenging the blind". Running first, the main challenge might be any blind to run. hopefully, the test dog exposes the bigger hazards for you and then you need to manage your dog to properly negotiate them.

    Good Luck!!!
    Indeed! I need to work on challenging the line/blind and maintaining higher standards.

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