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    Earline, this is very hard for me to reply to because I lost my dear Indy to this in June. Emergency splenectomy done Feb 2. Path reports said benign. He lived 3.5 good months and then went down fast. I tried all kind of treatments, herbs, prednisone, etc. I will always have to live with the horror of his last day because I did not end it a little sooner. This is a monstrous disease. So sorry you are facing this.
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    Carol, thank you ..check your PM


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    Not all splenic masses are hemangiosarcomas, splenic hematomas occur with some degree of frequency. Radiographic evidence of concurrent pulmonary masses of course makes hemangiosarcoma the likely culprit. We have submitted splenic tissue from dogs with no visual evidence of other abdominal involvement and an unusual number have been identified as splenic hematomas and splenectomy is curative.

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    It is encouraging what Dr. Ed is saying. If I understand hematoma would be bleeding into the abdomen from a blood vessel or from the spleen. In my dogs case he had a pretty large mass that continued to get larger. Also his sire and a littermate also passed from suspected hemangiosarcoma. His sire had several "bleeds" before he passed, which on their own stopped. The dog mentioned in my post above took the Yunnan Baiyio for 11.5 months before he was euthanized. He had three small bleeds during that time, and he felt good right up to a week before. I can't say if it helped, but it didn't seem to hurt.
    Though it is always a good idea to thoroughly know what you are dealing with, if there is a chance that it can help a splenectomy may be advised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lennie View Post
    It is encouraging what Dr. Ed is saying. If I understand hematoma would be bleeding into the abdomen from a blood vessel or from the spleen. In my dogs case he had a pretty large mass that continued to get larger. Also his sire and a littermate also passed from suspected hemangiosarcoma. His sire had several "bleeds" before he passed, which on their own stopped. The dog mentioned in my post above took the Yunnan Baiyio for 11.5 months before he was euthanized. He had three small bleeds during that time, and he felt good right up to a week before. I can't say if it helped, but it didn't seem to hurt.
    Though it is always a good idea to thoroughly know what you are dealing with, if there is a chance that it can help a splenectomy may be advised.
    Hematomas can be quite large. The survival time for hemangisarcoma without surgery and chemotherapy is about 3 months. I seriously doubt an 11.5 month survival with splenic hemangiosarcoma treated or not unless confirmed by pathology. My colleagues and I used to assume all splenic masses to be hemangiosarcoma until pathology failed to support that at least 50% of the time.

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    Dr. Ed, I sure wish you had been here to support my dog Tag. The first thing they asked me after the ultrasound was "There is little hope, do you want to put him down today"....?

    No..! and we went home and had another 11.5 months of fun and love...
    Just not enough knowledge...in the world today I guess..Thank you for sharing yours, I hope it helps someone else who may be told the same to look into further options.

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    I lost the best dog I may ever own to HSA, had spread to her liver. Had the spleen and part of the liver removed. She hunted with me the first weekend on Nov, then the 1st of Dec she did not eat, big red flag. Had the surgery tried some chemo but after 3 treatments it was obviously not helping her. Lost her the end of Feb, just before her 13th birthday. Did try some herbs, don't remember which one but one of the "blood" herbs made her feel worse so we stopped it.

    Like Ed I would be suspicious of an 11.5 onth survival. 4 months after my lab died I diagnosed our Jack Russel (12 yrs old) with a splenic mass. We were still reeling from the loss of the other dog. The internal medicine specialist was not optimistic, but I went ahead and had her explored anyway, benign mass, nothing in liver. Dog lived to over 17 years old.
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    We found a large splenic mass in my 11yo lab in April. Chest x-ray and abdominal ultrasound showed no evidence of metastasis, so I had him explored. He underwent a splenectomy. Findings at surgery was a mass that was so large it was difficult to remove intact. Final pathology was a benign hemangioma and he has done very well since.

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