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    What method do you use to get the dog to look a little more to the right or left on a blind? Heel/here are too much for him, seen people use there leg, pat leg, etc.

    once he is lined up i drop my hand down and send him.

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    why do you want the dog to look left or right ? the ideal position is to have its spine and head aligned to the desired line...head swinging can lead to other distractions and temptations
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    are you talking shift in eyes or head?

    how old is this dog?


    I think very small adjustments (single digit degrees of change)come with age and experience - 1000s of blinds.... but consistency of the handler is vital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    are you talking shift in eyes or head?

    how old is this dog?


    I think very small adjustments (single digit degrees of change)come with age and experience - 1000s of blinds.... but consistency of the handler is vital.

    Wagon wheel, wagon wheel, wagon wheel.
    yes single digit of degree but i want to start being consistent now on cues to look a little more one way or the other. he is 9months, lock in VERY well right now.

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    "Sit" mean Sit and look straight ahead. I use "here" to move the dog nearer to my knee, and "heel" to move the dog away. I may even pat my thigh along with "here" and my backside along wth "heel." You can practice just pivoting around with the dog at heel position rotating clockwise and counter-clockwise. Do wagon wheel drill and use those same commands. When I begin doing pattern blinds, or walk out blinds, or known blinds with a dog just going through transition I will mark the blind with a flag, 5 gallon bucket, or a white plastic bag so the dog has something to focus on and look at and serve as a target. I run blinds with these young dogs at something like a tree, bush, hay bale, or some other object to give them a target. And before someone jumps on me for doing that and that not all blinds are at trees, bushes, bales, etc...I know. After 20 years of running tests and trials I know. But for my young dogs I want them to be looking out there at something and have a target. I can transition them from running to those targets later after I get them looking for a target at the line before I ship them. It seems to work for me that my dogs sit down straight and when I say "dead bird" they are looking for target straight down range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jroberts View Post
    yes single digit of degree but i want to start being consistent now on cues to look a little more one way or the other. he is 9months, lock in VERY well right now.
    Personally ,I wouldn't loose any momentum by trying to gain precision at this age. But hey' ..if all the foot tappin ,thigh slappin,hollers of here and heel and the odd 'push/pull' (which will invariably be highlighted by a few soon enough,with quotes ) if all that floats yer boat , then go for it.
    It's just my guess, that 'if' you ask for precision you may well get other issues such as noise/creep/dancing on toes/indecision /side head swing increased ? ..to name but a few . lol .
    At 9 month old if you have ''Lock in VERY well right now"....why push it ?
    The head and spine may well be aligned before you consistently cast the dog , but I bet the dog has it's eyes on where it's going at 9 month old .
    The training (whatever procedure you adopt) takes the eyes away from the dog on a blind retrieve. ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by polmaise View Post
    Personally ,I wouldn't loose any momentum by trying to gain precision at this age. But hey' ..if all the foot tappin ,thigh slappin,hollers of here and heel and the odd 'push/pull' (which will invariably be highlighted by a few soon enough,with quotes ) if all that floats yer boat , then go for it.
    It's just my guess, that 'if' you ask for precision you may well get other issues such as noise/creep/dancing on toes/indecision /side head swing increased ? ..to name but a few . lol .
    At 9 month old if you have ''Lock in VERY well right now"....why push it ?
    The head and spine may well be aligned before you consistently cast the dog , but I bet the dog has it's eyes on where it's going at 9 month old .
    The training (whatever procedure you adopt) takes the eyes away from the dog on a blind retrieve. ..
    Very good post Robert. At 9 months old, you need to be most concerned about developing momentum and confidence when running blinds. 'Fine lining' at this age can cause bugging and erode confidence. If the dog is looking out in the general area, kick him off. Doesn't he need to learn how to take casts as well? Don't worry about lining blinds at 9 months old.
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    You can try moving up a tad on the dog to push her look away from your body, moving back a tad might pull her gaze towards the other way.

    Also try shifting weight towards dog (push) or away from dog (pull).
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    Polmaise hit the nail on the head.

    Train for momentum...precision will follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamajeff View Post
    Don't worry about lining blinds at 9 months old.
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    Hope you are well Jeff ,and a Happy New year.
    As you know , this side we concentrate on 'Lining memory's' more at early stage (It probably has a fancy name in a drill by someone) ,no matter, it builds confidence in go ' . The Wagon wheel' /clock ray/compass , whatever you want to call it ,like all sides of any borders or waters across ponds ,it's a Lining and casting 'conditioning exercise' . and to my way of thinking (it has nothing to do with retrieving a bird or dummy/bumper ! ..It's not about getting the dummy ,it's 'How the dog retrieves a bird/dummy/bumper' .
    Perhaps many where ever' ..ask this dumb dog to go where they exactly tell them , rather than where the dog wants to go ?
    Kennels are almost empty at this time of year with 'Dogs in training' Jeff, so that gives me a little time off. Except for the days out in the field shooting and handling others dogs . Working with a young Vizsla (6 month old) ..Just going through the same thing 'jroberts' ..ain't that a blast .
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