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    Steel & Aluminum - It is a fact that China was shipping finished product to Mexico, repackaging it
    & sending across the border under NAFTA.

    So we try something new. Can't government enforce the laws on the books on anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    Steel & Aluminum - It is a fact that China was shipping finished product to Mexico, repackaging it
    & sending across the border under NAFTA.

    So we try something new. Can't government enforce the laws on the books on anything?
    Did they actually send it across the border? The following article * suggests the intent, and the WSJ is paywalled so I can't see the articles they have on this issue.

    All I know is the talk of tariffs and trade wars are making a mess of the markets with little perceived gain. The ensuing trade war will likely cause us to question the costs/benefits of such a draconian and not well thought out economic move.

    * http://fortune.com/2016/09/09/chines...can-stockpile/

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    Free traders/rural growers want no tariff unless it bites them in the ass. Details, infractions have been posted here for over three years !! Let the fight start again. Ross Perot was right. Nixon opened WTO for China and Clinton did NAFTA. China has become a 1st World Power with our money and technology. We accepted the WSJ, talking heads/outsourcing/money managers and destroyed our middle class. Tired of all the BS let us get this fight on. That is why , good or bad, DJT has the testes while "conservatives" and "snowflakes" kiss each others butts and do nothing. We have been lied to before. Too many scars to be hurt again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swliszka View Post
    Ross Perot was right.
    Of course he was right in every graph known to man & some he invented. An Independent who should have been POTUS.

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    [QUOTE=swliszka;2037978]Free traders/rural growers want no tariff unless it bites them in the ass. Details, infractions have been posted here for over three years !! Let the fight start again. Ross Perot was right. Nixon opened WTO for China and Clinton did NAFTA. China has become a 1st World Power with our money and technology. We accepted the WSJ, talking heads/outsourcing/money managers and destroyed our middle class. Tired of all the BS let us get this fight on. That is why , good or bad, DJT has the testes while "conservatives" and "snowflakes" kiss each others butts and do nothing. We have been lied to before. Too many scars to be hurt again.[/QUOTE

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    Are there other factors we need to consider? Is the current trend of the last 25+ years sustainable? Would the group agree we are quickly losing our ability to manufacture any hard products. Where does that leave our children and grandchildren? How do we defend ourselves? My opinion, this type of decision needs to be based on not just short term results, but long term security as well. We will soon lose the ability to even negotiate from a position of strength. We would still seem to have some leverage and now maybe the time to use it. We don’t have to always be a nice guy on the international stage and always give in. There are times we must put our own safety above others. I’m for letting it play out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payce View Post
    Are there other factors we need to consider? Is the current trend of the last 25+ years sustainable? Would the group agree we are quickly loosing our ability to manufacture any hard products. Where does that leave our children and grandchildren? How do we defend ourselves? My opinion, this type of decision needs to be based on not just short term results, but long term security as well. We will soon loose the ability to even negotiate from a position of strength. We would still seem to have some leverage and now maybe the time to use it. We donít have to always be a nice guy on the international stage and always give in. There are times we must put our own safety above others. Iím for letting it play out.
    Nice post! A lot of highlighted meat to consider!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Payce View Post
    Are there other factors we need to consider? Is the current trend of the last 25+ years sustainable? Would the group agree we are quickly loosing our ability to manufacture any hard products. Where does that leave our children and grandchildren? How do we defend ourselves? My opinion, this type of decision needs to be based on not just short term results, but long term security as well. We will soon loose the ability to even negotiate from a position of strength. We would still seem to have some leverage and now maybe the time to use it. We donít have to always be a nice guy on the international stage and always give in. There are times we must put our own safety above others. Iím for letting it play out.
    We can't even keep the,Russians from "hacking" our elections!!??!!??
    How we gonna lead the world and negotiate from a position of any strength?

    As far as security for our children, it was demonstrated Last week that either we are not able or dont want to provide them with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    We can't even keep the,Russians from "hacking" our elections!!??!!??
    How we gonna lead the world and negotiate from a position of any strength?

    As far as security for our children, it was demonstrated Last week that either we are not able or dont want to provide them with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swliszka View Post
    Free traders/rural growers want no tariff unless it bites them in the ass. Details, infractions have been posted here for over three years !! Let the fight start again. Ross Perot was right. Nixon opened WTO for China and Clinton did NAFTA. China has become a 1st World Power with our money and technology. We accepted the WSJ, talking heads/outsourcing/money managers and destroyed our middle class. Tired of all the BS let us get this fight on. That is why , good or bad, DJT has the testes while "conservatives" and "snowflakes" kiss each others butts and do nothing. We have been lied to before. Too many scars to be hurt again.[/QUOTE

    As with all wars, this one will be more costly and painful to the lower and middle class Americans. I'm not looking forward to it.-Paul
    Canada is the number 1 exporter of steel to USA (16%) China is always in the news yet they are 11th and export less than 2%. Canada gets 60% of its imported steel from the the USA and only 8% from China. Currently US steel runs a $1Billion surplus in trade with Canada. Can you imagine the hurt of losing that trade surplus in the Canadian market to China?

    Trade wars are easy to start but can have very unpredictable outcomes....winning isn't as easy as it seems by appeasing one sector.
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